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We had originally planned to leave the Nestor's bonus intact since it could use an additional range buff without getting out of control. However after giving it a bit more thought we've decided that 43+4 would be a bit too extreme so we're changing the Nestor range bonus to +100 optimal and falloff. This will still be a significant Nestor range buff but will leave it at a more reasonable 29+8.
This is also a significant range buff to T3 Cruiser logi. We are happy to let people play with the new range and observe how it changes T3 logi use on TQ.
Both the Nestor and T3 logi will also feel the slightly increased cap use, but both of those ships tend to already jump through some hoops to get the cap they need.


With these changes it will be quite possible for logistics cruisers to repair (at lower than full rates) beyond their unfit targeting range. We have no current plans to increase targeting ranges for them, as they are free to use modules, implants, rigs and gang links to increase that range if they plan on operating at extreme distances.


This is something we've considered before and we may very well add in the future. The trick would be ensuring that they're balanced (in different fleet sizes) and provide fun gameplay. We're still looking at the idea from some different angles to decide if those goals are achievable. One option we're considering is limiting Ancillary RR to one module per ship.


Still something we'd like to do, but it's not a simple problem and as always putting engineering time on one project would mean taking it away from other ones.


It's a good point. We had been looking to emphasize the choices between fitting meta or T2, but 700 would have made fittings too difficult on T2 Logi Cruisers. We've adjusted the T2 large rep powergrid back to 660.


As a general point, it's nice to see about equal numbers of people commenting that we're shifting the balance too far towards either armor or shield. Probably a good sign. :)

t2 resists, better sig. resolution, more targeting range, more sensorstrenght, more raw hp, more pg/cpu, better cap efficiency = more difficult to neut, smaller sig......

What else do you want?

those shield changes are awful...... In most situations you do not have time for the UI to update to see what HP they are at. you have to turn on your reps asap and hope you catch them on time (usually a server tick is the difference)

8 seconds is far too long to cycle

I feel that the range for large remote shield boosters is too short.
In organized small fleets being at around 30km means being within scram range or at least web range basically making it impossible to get 100% out of your reps since you are forced to stay in falloff and as a result making armor reps just better, I feel like this will limit the ship choices for small gangs too much, heavily favoring armor fleets.

Same thing for frigate logi having to go into scram/web range on the shield ones vs being able to stay outside as armor is just not balanced, yes ofc I can stay at range too but then i will loose 30% of my reps at which point armor is just better.

If you really want to keep this massive range discrepancy then make the shield reps better in optimal then the armor ones are, enough to make being that close worth it.

Side note: Scimitar powergrid feels a bit too low having to fit 4 power grid mods/rigs for 4x LRSB II LSE MWD CB while the basi only needs one
Its fast, for that it has one less rep and has to rely on cap boosters already no need to have it fit so many fitting mods as well
oh yeah it has worse cap and cap recharge too.

On a general note id like to see more of the t2 logi power shifted to fitting, more fitting space also means more different modules that can be fit = more fun.

1 That's the problem. A T1 fit griffin jamming out 7 year old BS pilots... That's wrong. Before you start with the "get prepared" argument it;s more the opposite. People want to fight but dock up if there are logi and ECM in fleet.

2. Leads me here. Logi and ECM kill content. They force people to do one of 2 things.

A. Bring more DPS ships leading to, when they can't
B. Not fight

Since this is about Logi ships I will concentrate on this aspect of the game. They need a bigger nerf. When the AOE Doomsday was nerfed it was becuase they were I-Win buttons. Logi is the same. They can burn away from the fight and sit at relative safety. Same happens on low sec gates where the gate guns are not powerful enough to destroy a logi who is sat repping a suspect whilst also receiving reps. Not only that but if they are primaried they have a big enough tank to survive making any fight about bringing the most logi or 2/3 times more DPS or dock. Especially crap game play in War decks and neutral alt reppers.

I don't know what the fix is but if you haven't noticed the game has lost 40K active players and a big chunk of those is becuase the content is dull boring and predictable. I feel these changes are not enough to bring content back to the game. There aren't the regular 500 vs 500 man fleets, these days, its the 1 - 25 man gang roams which means logi should be synchronized with todays game play. e.g. I think it's wrong needing at least 4 BS to out DPS the reps of 2 logistics. Before the crash in numbers I think it was still slightly over balanced to the logi side. Today even more one sided. Logi forces you to bring more to the fight or the fight doesnt happen. In a game where there is so much put on ensuring not to lose, having more logi should not be the reason why content is abandoned.

Please think more about today's new eden and adjust accordingly. ie the 1-25 man gangs are the things that drive content.

Personally No.

Logi's have too much power already with regard to being able to rep 60k off fleet with quite nice tanks.

why do you want to increase their range? You make close range boats pretty much redundant because they don't have enough DPS to out rep a solo scim sitting 60k away. You also make long range boats useless to because Scims have nice tanks.

I tend to play the game solo - small gang. I see the game moving in this direction since its large fleets only really happen in the stagnated boring null sec.

I don't need to read it again, i understood the first time and my question still stands, why do you want to help increase range to what it is set at at the moment when the range at the moment is already a safe distance. we just get back status quo.

Whatever pumpkin.

Logi already has a safe range.
you want to decrease that base but give people ability to skill up.
resulting in .....

status quo...

This isn't a nerf of any sort you're still looking at providing a good amount of HP at a safe range.

All that's going to happen is:
1. Fleets bring more logi
2. Content doesn't play out.

You said
"Are there any plans to reduce optimal/falloff to make room for a skill in either of those areas?"

To which I asked why should there be.

I have a proposal that may be a bit off the wall, but I feel this change gives us more opportunity to add variation to the hulls.

As they sit now, the only difference is armor/shield and cap chain/no chain

Proposal

Amarr - Shorter logi range, cap chain, heavier tank, higher sensor strength, faster cycle time
Caldari - Shorter logi range, cap chain, higher velocity/agility, higher sensor strength, higher remote boost (in exchange for cap)
Minmatar - Longer logi range, no cap chain, higher velocity/agility, faster cycle time
Gallente - Greatest logi range, no cap chain, heavier tank, higher boost amount

I can't think straight right now, so I'm likely missing something here..

Having said that, this would give variation to each ship and would introduce situational aspects to the ships.