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ILLEGAL Hi-sec podding

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Stalker Ofeveryone
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2015-11-30 10:30:14 UTC
Were you the one who asked CCP at Eve Down Under to make CONCORD "smarter"? I spoke to you after and gave you a bunch of tips to avoid ganking, and for new players. Also here's one regarding pod ganking:


NEVER use autopilot.


You're welcome.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#42 - 2015-11-30 11:56:19 UTC
Guys i just moved to lowsec and bought this ship to use, it goes like this.

Megathron

Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Nanofiber Plates I
Empty

ECM Burst II
Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
Empty
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Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb
Large YF-12a Smartbomb

Empty
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See you on the gates scrubs Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Lucy Alfrir
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#43 - 2015-11-30 12:35:29 UTC
This is BS.

If anything suicide ganking needs to be made easier not harder.

I used to be in a highsec pirate corp who could easily make money by ganking haulers, then they changed the insurance mechanics and we had to leave for lowsec.

Personally I'd like to see a return to the good old days, where with enough logi you could sit on a gate fighting off the police whilst ganking whoever you chose to, up until some white knights came along and ruined your party.


I also object strongly to the police now being able to jam your cloak from the other-side of the system just because you're wanted. If they have that kind of targeted decloak technology why hasn't someone nicked it and solved that other whingers problem; the afk cloaky in local?

It's not hard to avoid being ganked/podded, if you're too lazy or stupid to work out how and so precious about your virtual possessions that you rage quit when it happens, then good riddance.
Iain Cariaba
#44 - 2015-11-30 13:05:33 UTC
Lucy Alfrir wrote:
It's not hard to avoid being ganked/podded, if you're too lazy or stupid to work out how and so precious about your virtual possessions that you rage quit when it happens, then good riddance.

This. So totally this.
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#45 - 2015-11-30 13:55:57 UTC
+1 to the idea of concord podding people (perhaps only below -5?)
otherwise, just whine.

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.

Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#46 - 2015-11-30 13:58:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
+1 to the idea of concord podding people (perhaps only below -5?)
otherwise, just whine.


they already instantly point you system wide, we dont need more op police tactics to serve the lazy and ignorant. it doesnt do anything anyway they will just run around in empty clones duh

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Mag's
Azn Empire
#47 - 2015-11-30 14:12:59 UTC
This thread wins the "Just one more nerf and it will be balanced." thread of the month award.

Congrats.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#48 - 2015-11-30 14:56:07 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
Drifters.

Everyone I know that has tangled with Drifters came out on the losing end so I never bothered and none of them have reported a pod loss. Thank you much for the warning I will heed it should I ever decide to tangle with Drifters.

Lucy Alfrir wrote:
This is BS.

If anything suicide ganking needs to be made easier not harder.

My joy in this game is to help new players get a start and then send them on their way and I have lost far to many new players to being ganked in their first week or so as it is. I am glad that CCP has decided to leave things as they are and not make ganking easier. Like it or not CCP is in a bad place with all forms of non-consensual PvP including ganking. On the one side they risk losing paying customers if they make it easier, and on the other side they risk losing paying customers if they make it harder. Publicly they support ganking, I wonder what the hidden feelings on it are since no company likes to be in a position where they risk losing customers no matter what they do.

Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
+1 to the idea of concord podding people (perhaps only below -5?)
otherwise, just whine.

Podding gankers would have no real affect on limiting what they do since it is most likely that they have no implants, and the clone loss would be an insignificant expense.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#49 - 2015-11-30 16:08:47 UTC
Here's the ultimate question.

HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU GET POD KILLED IN HS????

If you've got more than 1 year in Eve, you should know how to emergency warp your pod by now...


Lucy Alfrir wrote:
This is BS.

If anything suicide ganking needs to be made easier not harder.

I used to be in a highsec pirate corp who could easily make money by ganking haulers, then they changed the insurance mechanics and we had to leave for lowsec.

Personally I'd like to see a return to the good old days, where with enough logi you could sit on a gate fighting off the police whilst ganking whoever you chose to, up until some white knights came along and ruined your party.


I also object strongly to the police now being able to jam your cloak from the other-side of the system just because you're wanted. If they have that kind of targeted decloak technology why hasn't someone nicked it and solved that other whingers problem; the afk cloaky in local?

It's not hard to avoid being ganked/podded, if you're too lazy or stupid to work out how and so precious about your virtual possessions that you rage quit when it happens, then good riddance.


I get your point, but no...
CCP changed the ease of ganking for a reason.
It's a necessity to have some level of secure space in order for new players and vet players who've lost everything, in order to establish or re-establish themselves within the game.

Apart from that, ganking isn't exactly that difficult.
I watched a CODE pilot streaming about a month ago.
They failed a gank because they didn't have enough dps.
They then came back a second time against the same ship, but failed again.
Then came back for a 3rd attempt on yet still the same target.
Granted, they failed and the target got away.

However, the point here is that they were able to hit the same target 3 times and the only reason they failed was due to bump fails.

That was at least 45 minutes of holding a target down...
You can't pull that off in low or null sec.

The fact that you went to low sec to avoid insurance loss is moot.
Besides, I don't see where a payout in 200k isk is such a huge loss...
Ghaustyl Kathix
Rising Thunder
#50 - 2015-11-30 17:07:40 UTC
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
HI-SEC illegal podding is possibly a reason for the fall off of new players trying to start in eve

Heavily disagree with that, because podding has almost always hit older players harder. What would a newer player lose? A few mil in +2 implants? If the player got a full rack of +4 or +5 learning implants, then he should learn not to fly what he can't afford to lose.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#51 - 2015-11-30 17:20:13 UTC
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
yawn! yawn! yawn! yea heard it all before, blah! blah! blah!..... you all know nothing... you are all irrelevant, deal with it ....


So in other words...you are playing stupid...on purpose. Then you come here and whine on the forums when your stupidity bites you in the ass. Got it. I wont say you are stupid, but damn son you are doing a damn fine imitation.

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Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2015-11-30 17:26:26 UTC
First post contains a few very big hints towards better retention.
The rest of the thread contains the reason why eve doesn't have any.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2015-11-30 17:31:24 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
First post contains a few very big hints towards better retention.
The rest of the thread contains the reason why eve doesn't have any.


Personally, wardec mechanics are a larger issue than ganking.
Also, if you're losing a pod to HS ganks, you're either too new for it to really matter, or too fail to accomplish an emergency pod warp, which is quite easy in HS considering you don't have to worry about bubbles.
Orca Platypus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2015-11-30 17:41:28 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Personally, wardec mechanics are a larger issue than ganking.

wardec mechanics are non-issue to anyone who knows how they work, they just routinely dodge them.
It only hurts newbros, but generally, in current failplementation, they are non-issue.
Ganking is a major problem to hisec and received many unneeded buffs in the recent years.
Despite their crying about "one more nerf", the activity has seen unprecedented rise due to how overbuffed it was.
I have made my own proposal on how to turn ganking from lolcatalysts into actual profession, but since it would require people to actually get good rather than be F1 monkeys on throwaway consequence-nullifier alts, it was met with expected ultra-defensive fearposting.

Joe Risalo wrote:
Also, if you're losing a pod to HS ganks, you're either too new for it to really matter, or too fail to accomplish an emergency pod warp, which is quite easy in HS considering you don't have to worry about bubbles.

I do not say there's any problem with podding. I do not say we should just buy the OP's words at face value either.
I'm just saying it contains a hint of what is wrong with eve. And it does indeed. Just like the other hint which is the rest of the first page.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2015-11-30 18:03:14 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
...and the clone loss would be an insignificant expense.

When did you log in last time?
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#56 - 2015-11-30 18:03:56 UTC
...When the hell has ganking been buffed in the past several years?
Eternity Mistseeker
Renegades of Eve
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#57 - 2015-11-30 18:16:09 UTC
Concord is not there to protect, but to punish.

This is how it has always been, and there are too many effective counters to the issue if you make just a little effort.

Retriever fit was poor, t2 rigs inflated the cost with no gain. If gankers around then refit, procurer, insured, shield tank, reinforced builkhead and damage control in lows, orbit the asteroid. You can easily make it much harder for them and much cheaper for you...

Failing that, set the gankers to red, and watch local. Although to be honest, and this is serious advice, once you put this level of effort in when mining then believe me you will be a lot better mining in nullsec...
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#58 - 2015-11-30 19:13:36 UTC
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
oh by the way i'm done with this thread now.. so you can all ridicule me all you like ...i wont be readin it.. i real dont care...



so i read this as "well i have a ****** idea that got shot down easily. instead of admiting that my idea was ******, i'm gonna make it seem that other people are the issue. not you know, that my idea is ******. Cause it is"

The devs made it so you cna pod in hs, this is by design. /thread.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#59 - 2015-11-30 22:13:15 UTC
Orca Platypus wrote:
First post contains a few very big hints towards better retention.
The rest of the thread contains the reason why eve doesn't have any.


That is a load of steaming crap. Podding people in HS has been something that has been in game forever, so the idea that it is suddenly the cause of retention issues is highly dubious and just some convenient post hoc ergo propter hoc bullshit to push an agenda.

Go peddle your tripe somewhere else.

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#60 - 2015-11-30 22:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Teckos Pech
Orca Platypus wrote:


Joe Risalo wrote:
Also, if you're losing a pod to HS ganks, you're either too new for it to really matter, or too fail to accomplish an emergency pod warp, which is quite easy in HS considering you don't have to worry about bubbles.

I do not say there's any problem with podding. I do not say we should just buy the OP's words at face value either.
I'm just saying it contains a hint of what is wrong with eve. And it does indeed. Just like the other hint which is the rest of the first page.


The "retention" aspects of the OP were in relation of HS podding and even HS ganking. To then pretend you were referring to something else indicates you are a horrible writer or when called on your nonsense you just move the goal posts which is dishonest.

Eve has alwasy been, and hopefully always will be a sandbox MMO that encourages emergent game play for the most part. That is much of the game play may not be either anticipated or intended, and so long as it is not unbalanced should be allowed to stand.

So all I can conclude is you are ignorant of the game itself or trolling.

Edit: I am also going to put you firmly in the troll category since you posts indicate that nobody buy you and the OP care about retention. That is a blindingly stupid position to take.

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8 Golden Rules for EVE Online