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ILLEGAL Hi-sec podding

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Toriessian
Helion Production Labs
Independent Operators Consortium
#61 - 2015-11-30 23:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Toriessian
hrmmmm... I see the ops point...

I propose CCP make a spiffy SCOPE video showing a DED advisory about tanking your mining ships due to rampant suicide ganking. The video should be played during the tutorial, and get added to the rotation on billboards and in the captain's quarters. Theres always a chance someone joined EVE off of a Yahoo banner ad and doesn't know the nature of the game and hasn't built a proper social circle yet. This gives them fair warning.

That would be fair. No other changes really needed.

Every day I'm wafflin!

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2015-11-30 23:40:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Teckos Pech wrote:
Orca Platypus wrote:


Joe Risalo wrote:
Also, if you're losing a pod to HS ganks, you're either too new for it to really matter, or too fail to accomplish an emergency pod warp, which is quite easy in HS considering you don't have to worry about bubbles.

I do not say there's any problem with podding. I do not say we should just buy the OP's words at face value either.
I'm just saying it contains a hint of what is wrong with eve. And it does indeed. Just like the other hint which is the rest of the first page.


The "retention" aspects of the OP were in relation of HS podding and even HS ganking. To then pretend you were referring to something else indicates you are a horrible writer or when called on your nonsense you just move the goal posts which is dishonest.

Eve has alwasy been, and hopefully always will be a sandbox MMO that encourages emergent game play for the most part. That is much of the game play may not be either anticipated or intended, and so long as it is not unbalanced should be allowed to stand.

So all I can conclude is you are ignorant of the game itself or trolling.

Edit: I am also going to put you firmly in the troll category since you posts indicate that nobody buy you and the OP care about retention. That is a blindingly stupid position to take.


I'm not going to condemn his views, but simply point out the flaws in his thinking.

He points to decs being a non-factor to player retention, as decs can be avoided by staying in NPC, dropping to NPC, or swapping to a non-decced corp.
However, this is counterintuitive to CCP's claims that interaction is what increases retention.

However, claims that pod ganking is an issue, despite avoidance of such action is much easier, without reducing interaction.

Pod ganking is a 2 second activity that is easily avoided, while wardecs are a week long ordeal(minimum) and the best coarses of action for avoiding loss are breaking involvement(dropping corp), or just not playing for the duration of the dec.

I realize this isn't a wardec thread, but if this thread is going to claim pod ganks as the major factor in reduced retention, you better make sure it holds that weight.
In my opinion, it does not.
I've had several wardecs this year. Both incoming and out going.
In both cases, there was nothing the defender could do including fighting back, as the deccer does not have to fight when the situation does not favor them.
The defender has 4 options.
1) don't play until the dec is over
2) drop corp
3) take the risk and do what you want anyway (someone always loses something with this method)
4) quit playing Eve

How is any of this better than losing a pod because you couldn't figure out how to click something in overview and spam the warp button???

As far as pod losses go, I haven't lost a pod that I didn't intend to lose.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#63 - 2015-12-01 04:20:44 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
...When the hell has ganking been buffed in the past several years?
Remember this was from the guy, who also said Catalysts are free ships. Blink

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2015-12-02 06:04:40 UTC
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
There are two kinds of podding going on in eve, legal and illegal, legal from kill rights, dueling, corp wars , and LEGAL agressions, and then there is illegal podding, from ganking and direct illegal aggression, the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, because in the legal case CONCORD WILL NOT get involved, and in the illegal case CONCORD will get involved and will destroy and flag the perpetrator(s). THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS NOW...So the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, and with players being killed in missions the NPCs NEVER pod a players, and also the gankers only use cheap ships and cheap implants on their victims only, knowing that CONCORD will destroy their ships anyway, so this whole issue is solely about "claiming" the amount of kills on a kill board like in some seaside resort arcade game which cheapens and lowers the value of such a good game as Eve.

As HI-SEC illegal podding is possibly a reason for the fall off of new players trying to start in eve, and fairly established players deciding they have had enough of this new phenomenon that has started, and left, I suggest that in the case of Illegal podding in HI-SEC SPACE either on miners, or from gate camps, that ...

1. The podded entity is "resurrected" back at the LAST station it UNDOCKED from, with its complete compliment of implants if any.
2. The ship with all its modules and rigs if any, replaced there too.

ie for the victim player it is as if the incident never happened.

As for the perpetrator, as CONCORD will destroy the ship but at the moment doesn't pod the capsuleer, I suggest

1. as punishment for such an action, the game CAN pod the perpetrator and resurrect them back at their "HOME" station with a NEW bare clone, and a rookie ship. (like it does with the victim now)
2. That NO kill rights are issued for the incident to the victim, and no criminal flag is issued to the perpetrator, ie no need for revenge.
3. There is no ship debris at the point of the incident of either the perpetrator or the victim.

hopefully this action will bring back established players who may have lost a lot through illegal ganking and got fed up and left, and also, wont deter new players from staying on after their trial period.
this way the victim isn't at a loss for this incident, and the perpetrator just gets a slap on the wrist off CONCORD.

For the so called perpetrators, well they have 0.4, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1, 0.0, and Worm Hole space to carry on with that aspect of the game.


Yes and we will remove any possiblitiy to make real isk from highsec so you can get about 1-5 Mio ISK/h. And i´ll be fine with it because there is always 0.4- -1.0 Space to make isk. Sound crazy, yes like your idea, but a Main traidehub in 0.4 would be that awesome ;).

Anthar Thebess
#65 - 2015-12-02 08:30:05 UTC
Oh you made my day :D
If you like to have all your stuff replaced go to WOW.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#66 - 2015-12-02 15:38:12 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
Here's the ultimate question.

HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU GET POD KILLED IN HS????

Oh please, do not tell me that you cannot figure out how that might happen.
Besides the AFK thingy which is almost to obvious to even mention I have seen many players get podded in high sec by people with near insta-lock fits. Even setting those aside it would not be uncommon for a new player experiencing their first ship loss to hesitate for a few seconds before realizing they needed to warp away, or simply they do not understand that they need to warp away and poof dead pod.

Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Donnachadh wrote:
...and the clone loss would be an insignificant expense.

When did you log in last time?

Funny that you should ask, check the time and date signature on this post it was about 10 minutes before I write this.

Ah the usual taking things out of context, perhaps that is my fault though so I will give you a pass. Or perhaps it is simply your lacking the ability to think outside the box, or perhaps you lack the ability to think about what MIGHT happen if Concord podding gankers was to become a thing. Any way it is let me explain.

If the rules were changed and Concord did start podding the gankers then they would adjust.
Clone replacement (in actuality implant replacement) would be factored into the decision to gank a specific target.
They would adjust by using cheaper implants or none at all and use other means to recover the lost dps.
No doubt there are other means they would come up with to negate the costs associated with pod loss.

So when you account for the inevitable and the gankers adjust to the change as they have to all changes in the past you end up with clone replacement being an insignificant, or completely irrelevant cost.
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#67 - 2015-12-02 16:08:55 UTC
Threads like this should just be locked out of hand. It's not a sincere suggestion. It's a ranting, histrionic-laden complaint garnished with a preposterous "idea" that would never and could never be introduced to the game.

Actually, pretty much every thread that invokes new player retention in the OP should be doomsdayed off the field. Everyone truly believes their personal bugbear is the key to "fixing" retention.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#68 - 2015-12-03 06:04:52 UTC
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Threads like this should just be locked out of hand. It's not a sincere suggestion. It's a ranting, histrionic-laden complaint garnished with a preposterous "idea" that would never and could never be introduced to the game.

Actually, pretty much every thread that invokes new player retention in the OP should be doomsdayed off the field. Everyone truly believes their personal bugbear is the key to "fixing" retention.


How about a corollary to Malcanis' Law: Anyone claiming a change to the game's mechanics will help player retention is ultimately suggesting a self-serving change to the game's mechanics.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online

Arden Elenduil
Unlimited Bear Works
#69 - 2015-12-03 10:49:34 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
SurrenderMonkey wrote:
Threads like this should just be locked out of hand. It's not a sincere suggestion. It's a ranting, histrionic-laden complaint garnished with a preposterous "idea" that would never and could never be introduced to the game.

Actually, pretty much every thread that invokes new player retention in the OP should be doomsdayed off the field. Everyone truly believes their personal bugbear is the key to "fixing" retention.


How about a corollary to Malcanis' Law: Anyone claiming a change to the game's mechanics will help player retention is ultimately suggesting a self-serving change to the game's mechanics.



Malcanis' Greed?
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2015-12-03 12:16:45 UTC
Donnachadh wrote:
Funny that you should ask, check the time and date signature on this post it was about 10 minutes before I write this.

Ah the usual taking things out of context, perhaps that is my fault though so I will give you a pass. Or perhaps it is simply your lacking the ability to think outside the box, or perhaps you lack the ability to think about what MIGHT happen if Concord podding gankers was to become a thing. Any way it is let me explain.

If the rules were changed and Concord did start podding the gankers then they would adjust.
Clone replacement (in actuality implant replacement) would be factored into the decision to gank a specific target.
They would adjust by using cheaper implants or none at all and use other means to recover the lost dps.
No doubt there are other means they would come up with to negate the costs associated with pod loss.

So when you account for the inevitable and the gankers adjust to the change as they have to all changes in the past you end up with clone replacement being an insignificant, or completely irrelevant cost.

That's a lot of patronizing words for "I actually meant implants, of course".
Drammie Askold
Hideaway Hunters
The Hideaway.
#71 - 2016-01-06 11:16:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Drammie Askold
I have been ganked, and podded, MANY times, and EVERY SINGLE TIME, this was because I, ME, MYSELF, made a mistake. I've tried, not always successfully, not to repeat a mistake but ultimately the responsibility for being ganked was MINE.

OP, HTFU or GTFO.

As the blessed St. Reptilicus said "Some days you can't get a drink on the cuff anyplace."

Mr Floydy
Questionable Ethics.
Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
#72 - 2016-01-06 12:51:12 UTC
Anyone else adding the OP to watch lists to pod on sight in Highsec? :p

Part of the game. Deal with it fella!
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2016-01-06 13:01:58 UTC
There isn't even anything on your killboard, so why are you crying about this? Get over it.
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2016-01-06 13:34:43 UTC
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
There are two kinds of podding going on in eve, legal and illegal, legal from kill rights, dueling, corp wars , and LEGAL agressions, and then there is illegal podding, from ganking and direct illegal aggression, the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, because in the legal case CONCORD WILL NOT get involved, and in the illegal case CONCORD will get involved and will destroy and flag the perpetrator(s). THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS NOW...So the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, and with players being killed in missions the NPCs NEVER pod a players, and also the gankers only use cheap ships and cheap implants on their victims only, knowing that CONCORD will destroy their ships anyway, so this whole issue is solely about "claiming" the amount of kills on a kill board like in some seaside resort arcade game which cheapens and lowers the value of such a good game as Eve.

As HI-SEC illegal podding is possibly a reason for the fall off of new players trying to start in eve, and fairly established players deciding they have had enough of this new phenomenon that has started, and left, I suggest that in the case of Illegal podding in HI-SEC SPACE either on miners, or from gate camps, that ...

1. The podded entity is "resurrected" back at the LAST station it UNDOCKED from, with its complete compliment of implants if any.
2. The ship with all its modules and rigs if any, replaced there too.

ie for the victim player it is as if the incident never happened.

As for the perpetrator, as CONCORD will destroy the ship but at the moment doesn't pod the capsuleer, I suggest

1. as punishment for such an action, the game CAN pod the perpetrator and resurrect them back at their "HOME" station with a NEW bare clone, and a rookie ship. (like it does with the victim now)
2. That NO kill rights are issued for the incident to the victim, and no criminal flag is issued to the perpetrator, ie no need for revenge.
3. There is no ship debris at the point of the incident of either the perpetrator or the victim.

hopefully this action will bring back established players who may have lost a lot through illegal ganking and got fed up and left, and also, wont deter new players from staying on after their trial period.
this way the victim isn't at a loss for this incident, and the perpetrator just gets a slap on the wrist off CONCORD.

For the so called perpetrators, well they have 0.4, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1, 0.0, and Worm Hole space to carry on with that aspect of the game.


How about a percentage based isk fine for doing it... You pod someone, CONCORD fines you 20% of you current wallet.

There are ways around that of course, place your money in another account and transfer it.

How about this secondary rule: more than 2 illegal poddings in 24 hrs and the player receives red flashy status for 1 week.

Done..
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#75 - 2016-01-06 14:11:06 UTC
Elyia Suze Nagala wrote:
Galrak Malinkorn wrote:
There are two kinds of podding going on in eve, legal and illegal, legal from kill rights, dueling, corp wars , and LEGAL agressions, and then there is illegal podding, from ganking and direct illegal aggression, the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, because in the legal case CONCORD WILL NOT get involved, and in the illegal case CONCORD will get involved and will destroy and flag the perpetrator(s). THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS NOW...So the game mechanics KNOWS the difference, and with players being killed in missions the NPCs NEVER pod a players, and also the gankers only use cheap ships and cheap implants on their victims only, knowing that CONCORD will destroy their ships anyway, so this whole issue is solely about "claiming" the amount of kills on a kill board like in some seaside resort arcade game which cheapens and lowers the value of such a good game as Eve.

As HI-SEC illegal podding is possibly a reason for the fall off of new players trying to start in eve, and fairly established players deciding they have had enough of this new phenomenon that has started, and left, I suggest that in the case of Illegal podding in HI-SEC SPACE either on miners, or from gate camps, that ...

1. The podded entity is "resurrected" back at the LAST station it UNDOCKED from, with its complete compliment of implants if any.
2. The ship with all its modules and rigs if any, replaced there too.

ie for the victim player it is as if the incident never happened.

As for the perpetrator, as CONCORD will destroy the ship but at the moment doesn't pod the capsuleer, I suggest

1. as punishment for such an action, the game CAN pod the perpetrator and resurrect them back at their "HOME" station with a NEW bare clone, and a rookie ship. (like it does with the victim now)
2. That NO kill rights are issued for the incident to the victim, and no criminal flag is issued to the perpetrator, ie no need for revenge.
3. There is no ship debris at the point of the incident of either the perpetrator or the victim.

hopefully this action will bring back established players who may have lost a lot through illegal ganking and got fed up and left, and also, wont deter new players from staying on after their trial period.
this way the victim isn't at a loss for this incident, and the perpetrator just gets a slap on the wrist off CONCORD.

For the so called perpetrators, well they have 0.4, 0.3, 0.2, 0.1, 0.0, and Worm Hole space to carry on with that aspect of the game.


How about a percentage based isk fine for doing it... You pod someone, CONCORD fines you 20% of you current wallet.

There are ways around that of course, place your money in another account and transfer it.

How about this secondary rule: more than 2 illegal poddings in 24 hrs and the player receives red flashy status for 1 week.

Done..


And this kids, is todays stupid comment

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2016-01-06 14:50:33 UTC
Care to elaborate?
Elyia Suze Nagala
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2016-01-06 15:03:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Elyia Suze Nagala
For the record I'm not against ganking at all. I just think that there a slap on the wrist policy, that doesn't mean anything. Ganking is fun occationally, and funner to watch. I've made millions off looting ganker wrecks.
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2016-01-06 15:52:30 UTC
I think all these proposals are taking it way, WAY too far for something that can happen accidentally. The current penalties are severe enough.
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
#79 - 2016-01-06 15:57:40 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Guys i just moved to lowsec and bought this ship to use, it goes like this.

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See you on the gates scrubs Pirate

Looking forward to it.

EvE-Mail me if you need anything.

Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#80 - 2016-01-06 16:08:51 UTC
Why did you guys necro such a **** thread?