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Amber Starview
Doomheim
#1361 - 2015-11-25 16:35:01 UTC
I will never vote to remove any content in eve .....if you think it's op then you are foolish to not be doing it yourself

Other than that eve needs more content not less .
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1362 - 2015-11-25 16:37:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Amber Starview wrote:
I will never vote to remove any content in eve .....if you think it's op then you are foolish to not be doing it yourself

Other than that eve needs more content not less .


yes lets all do incursions, everyone in eve for a week do incursions and see what happens.

Yes more content, make incursion runners be in corps so they can be wardecced like everyone else, same for lvl 4 missions

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1363 - 2015-11-25 16:38:03 UTC
Amber Starview wrote:
I will never vote to remove any content in eve .....if you think it's op then you are foolish to not be doing it yourself

Other than that eve needs more content not less.
What about moving, adjusting or balancing content? I don't think anyone wants incursions to stop existing, they just want the risk to be in line with the rewards.

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Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#1364 - 2015-11-25 16:38:44 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.

/forum


People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk.

/Discussion

High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged.

This thread is silly.


If you're only attending to fill your wallet then your disappearance from eve likely won't be noticed. Are you suddenly going to unsubscribe if your income falls from 120m/hr to something closer to 60-80m?

The issue has been brought up that if payouts are lowered then nobody would actually run incursions anymore, and this is a valid concern since most people are only running them for the isk. I don't see less incursion runners as a bad thing though, they contribute no gameplay anyway.

Now the people who actually are behind organising communities and fleets I can see an argument for them getting something. Perhaps Sansha rats could drop loot that can be picked up to fund the actual incursion community. For example say TVP are running a fleet, they finish a site and move to the nex one leaving behind a room full of wrecks; a looter/salvager could then come along and pick up loot for a group fund. Community leadership can then divide up this income among their core members that keep fleets running and let "leechers" only earn the payouts. That way you have a difference between the income available to those who do and don't contribute.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1365 - 2015-11-25 16:39:16 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.

/forum


People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk.

/Discussion

High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged.

This thread is silly.


What's silly is trying to mask one's own self interest behind the idea it's somehow good for "a wider range of people". Broken is Broken.

Since when is "a wider range of people" no more than1.5% of players on any given day? As for CCP, lets just say that they are becoming more aware of these issues as time goes on (notice CCP Quant's surprise, and even before that, work on things like Drifter Incursions?).
Valacus
Streets of Fire
#1366 - 2015-11-25 16:45:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Valacus wrote:
That isn't even remotely true. No one has definitely proven that high sec incursions > all. The fact it's the 3rd highest ISK faucet just means that it gets used a lot, not that it pumps out ISK like candy.
Except of course that handy graph that shows that it's only 1.5% of player activity. If it were a much larger chunk of player activity, then it being 3rd on that list would be less of a worry, but since it is a low use activity, and it is third on that list - and that doesn't even include LP rewards - then it's fairly obvious there's a problem.


That still doesn't prove that running incursions is more lucrative than any other venture, only that people who do run incursions do a lot of it. You're still making assumptions that are neither proven nor true. The only "problem" is in your head, because you don't like high sec incursions. Well, don't run them then. Go ahead and AFK Ishtar. Lots of people prefer Ishtar ratting over incursions. So what? The fact that people are more willing to run incursions for long hours than they are to rat in nullsec for long hours just means incursions runners are more dedicated. Again, so what? All of the "problems" you see with incursions are all imaginary, and all of the solutions to said problems are all equally as imaginary. The only thing you'll do be removing incursions is remove content from the game.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#1367 - 2015-11-25 17:02:25 UTC
Valacus wrote:
That still doesn't prove that running incursions is more lucrative than any other venture, only that people who do run incursions do a lot of it. You're still making assumptions that are neither proven nor true. The only "problem" is in your head, because you don't like high sec incursions. Well, don't run them then. Go ahead and AFK Ishtar. Lots of people prefer Ishtar ratting over incursions. So what? The fact that people are more willing to run incursions for long hours than they are to rat in nullsec for long hours just means incursions runners are more dedicated. Again, so what? All of the "problems" you see with incursions are all imaginary, and all of the solutions to said problems are all equally as imaginary. The only thing you'll do be removing incursions is remove content from the game.
LOL, my only problem is that incursions do rake in far too much isk for their risk. We know for a fact that incursions rake in a huge amount of isk. That's not even up for debate, and if you're going to sit there and pretend the income is comparable with other PVE sources of isk, then that truly is laughable. The problem comes down to the risk you have to gain that isk, which is to say almost none. I'm totally happy for you to keep the level of income which is above that of a null ratter. But to access that income you should have to be vulnerable to attack, i.e. in lowsec. Fair?

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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#1368 - 2015-11-25 17:05:59 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.

/forum


People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk.

/Discussion

High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged.

This thread is silly.


If you're only attending to fill your wallet then your disappearance from eve likely won't be noticed. Are you suddenly going to unsubscribe if your income falls from 120m/hr to something closer to 60-80m?

The issue has been brought up that if payouts are lowered then nobody would actually run incursions anymore, and this is a valid concern since most people are only running them for the isk. I don't see less incursion runners as a bad thing though, they contribute no gameplay anyway.

Now the people who actually are behind organising communities and fleets I can see an argument for them getting something. Perhaps Sansha rats could drop loot that can be picked up to fund the actual incursion community. For example say TVP are running a fleet, they finish a site and move to the nex one leaving behind a room full of wrecks; a looter/salvager could then come along and pick up loot for a group fund. Community leadership can then divide up this income among their core members that keep fleets running and let "leechers" only earn the payouts. That way you have a difference between the income available to those who do and don't contribute.

Incursion fleets dont contribute gameplay? Ok, sir.

Safe flights
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#1369 - 2015-11-25 17:35:56 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
People are engaging in a proftable group activity in highsec. Nerf and wardec everything.

/forum


People are engaging in an activity that pays to well, so well that it attracts outsiders (ie people who don't live in high sec) to do them rather than sit around and make less in their own areas of null or low sec. Balance them with more risk/ ship oss or less isk.

/Discussion

High risk/smaller profit means less/no attendance. Of which EvE got more than its share. Im sure, for once, CCP is happy to try and provide an impulse to get a wider range of people engaged.

This thread is silly.


If you're only attending to fill your wallet then your disappearance from eve likely won't be noticed. Are you suddenly going to unsubscribe if your income falls from 120m/hr to something closer to 60-80m?

The issue has been brought up that if payouts are lowered then nobody would actually run incursions anymore, and this is a valid concern since most people are only running them for the isk. I don't see less incursion runners as a bad thing though, they contribute no gameplay anyway.

Now the people who actually are behind organising communities and fleets I can see an argument for them getting something. Perhaps Sansha rats could drop loot that can be picked up to fund the actual incursion community. For example say TVP are running a fleet, they finish a site and move to the nex one leaving behind a room full of wrecks; a looter/salvager could then come along and pick up loot for a group fund. Community leadership can then divide up this income among their core members that keep fleets running and let "leechers" only earn the payouts. That way you have a difference between the income available to those who do and don't contribute.

Incursion fleets dont contribute gameplay? Ok, sir.

Safe flights


I know you consider stuffing your wallet gameplay but it's not very meaningful or engaging is it?

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Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#1370 - 2015-11-25 17:48:01 UTC
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1371 - 2015-11-25 17:50:50 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.


If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?
Daerrol
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1372 - 2015-11-25 17:53:09 UTC
Content: Locking up a target, over heating the "High" and "Medium" racks, hitting a Aproach, F1, then hiding under my blanket till it's over.
Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#1373 - 2015-11-25 17:54:00 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.


If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?

Where did I say I didnt experience the event?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1374 - 2015-11-25 18:11:49 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.


If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?

Where did I say I didnt experience the event?


?
Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#1375 - 2015-11-25 18:28:26 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.


If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?

Where did I say I didnt experience the event?


?

Are you being deliberately dense?
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#1376 - 2015-11-25 18:28:48 UTC
Lord in Heaven why is this stupid ass thread still going?

You null bigots are pissed off that high sec is more than a noob training area and that (GASP!) many people actually like the low stress playstyle in high and are able to generate enough in-game money to pay for their accounts. Guess what? Deal with it. CCP's not listening to you and is not stupid enough to make game design or business decisions based on your forum whines.

These moronic "nerf high sec" threads filled with opinions and agendas dressed up as facts have been going on for as long as I've been in the game. Thankfully CCP isn't populated by numbskulls who demand that everything they don't personally like be nerfed.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1377 - 2015-11-25 18:38:38 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
How come you know such things? I have yet to participate in an incursion event. And I have yet to encounter meaningful content in EvE other than an aesthetically pleasing and calming scenery. As far as im concerned this game is stagnant and kudos to CCP for trying to stir things a bit.


If you haven't experienced firsthand the content, mechanics and events that are unbalanced enough for veteran players to have this discussion, why did you feel the need to comment?

Where did I say I didnt experience the event?


?

Are you being deliberately dense?



Hey yall, i had to take my troll radar to the shop because it got broken when I turned it on while reading reddit. So i can't tell, it's this guy trolling me, or what?
Aquilan Aideron
Wardecs go here
#1378 - 2015-11-25 18:42:11 UTC
My bad for responding to the forum troll.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1379 - 2015-11-25 18:45:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:



Hey yall, i had to take my troll radar to the shop because it got broken when I turned it on while reading reddit. So i can't tell, it's this guy trolling me, or what?


I can't compute that serie of quotes. No help from me...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1380 - 2015-11-25 18:46:21 UTC
Aquilan Aideron wrote:
My bad for responding to the forum troll.


You could clarify WTF you meant instead of calling others trolls...