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CCP - End Highsec Incursions

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Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1321 - 2015-11-24 19:35:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
if you are in sov nullsec you should not need to rely on srp, you get enough space to rat in, people also buy plex to buy ships so lowerin cost and grind just makes ccp lose money.

When i was in sov null i also noticed people not joining fleets because of no srp, its a pretty lame excuse tbh

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Lara Sunji
Doomheim
#1322 - 2015-11-24 19:46:37 UTC
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1323 - 2015-11-24 19:50:41 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
why does it take several hours to earn the isk for a ship which will last you minutes.


Why do you let yourself lose it within minutes?

Each security sector should be capable of supporting itself.

Null's bottom up income should support null style game play, it's a little under at the moment.

Low's bottom up income should support Low style game play, it's a little over a the moment.

High's bottom up income should support High style game play, it's grossly over at the moment.

NPC nullsec's bottom up income should support NPC null's game play. It's grossly under at the moment.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1324 - 2015-11-24 19:56:34 UTC
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


This nonsense again. Who said anyone was unhappy with incursion groups. I think they are cool, and TVP is my favorite. This is a balance discussion not "who hates who".

How do you wardec NPC corps btw (some incursion runners stay in npc corps for this reason)

But more importantly,. why would we wardec ourselves. Its US running high sec incursions because they are too good to ignore and that's the problem. Go to any incursion group (I run with TVP and WTM) and ask on teamspeak who has characters in null. The result won't surprise me, but it will surprise you.
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1325 - 2015-11-24 19:58:49 UTC
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


Have you ever tried wardeccing my NPC corp alt? How successful were you?

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#1326 - 2015-11-24 20:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: unidenify
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


solution, ban all NPC corp from forum and incursion

if you want to do high sec incursion, you must be in player-owned corp. And let yourself to subject to risk of wardeccer in return for high reward
Avvy
Doomheim
#1327 - 2015-11-24 20:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Avvy
unidenify wrote:
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


solution, ban all NPC corp from forum and incursion



There already is a forum you can talk on they can't. Think it has to be a player corp. of 10 or more before you can use it.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#1328 - 2015-11-24 20:05:20 UTC
Avvy wrote:
unidenify wrote:
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


solution, ban all NPC corp from forum and incursion



There already is a forum you can talk on they can't. Think it has to be a player corp. of 10 or more before you can use it.


No one use it because it is pure diplomatic channel where npc corp has no business to be in first place
Lara Sunji
Doomheim
#1329 - 2015-11-24 20:22:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Lara Sunji
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


Have you ever tried wardeccing my NPC corp alt? How successful were you?

Well I guess you're just out of luck then aren't you? BRB, getting my bucket for tears.
Oh and also, gank them perhaps?
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
Citizen's Star Republic
#1330 - 2015-11-24 20:28:01 UTC
if someone dislikes teh incursion groups so much.....best solution i think is simply not to let them farm them.....go in and pop the mom and end each incursion soon as the runners fill the bar full blue.
Lan Wang
Princess Aiko Hold My Hand
Safety. Net
#1331 - 2015-11-24 20:32:49 UTC
god some people dont read...

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1332 - 2015-11-24 21:05:50 UTC
Lara Sunji wrote:
Oh and also, gank them perhaps?


Oh here we go.

With as many groups dedicated to ganking as there are, don't you find it strange that they do not go after incursion runners much? There's a reason. I'm sure a casual perusing of the thread would reveal it, but simply put, with the way rat aggro and warp gates work, there's really not all that much of a window to do it in.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1333 - 2015-11-24 21:18:49 UTC
Max Deveron wrote:
if someone dislikes teh incursion groups so much.....best solution i think is simply not to let them farm them.....go in and pop the mom and end each incursion soon as the runners fill the bar full blue.


If I form a fleet that can POP the mom, I might as well just farm sites with it...
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1334 - 2015-11-24 21:27:05 UTC
Sometime I wonder how a gank would fare with tornadoes on a TCRC spawn if they followed the fleet going and shot for the poor dude getting 2 otuni neuting him to ****. I can't remember if the initial spawn point the first primary tho. If it did, you would not need to divert rat aggro to yourself with a point... Anyone tried to do that? It's probbaly hard as hell to time well...
Vic Jefferson
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#1335 - 2015-11-24 21:39:47 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Sometime I wonder how a gank would fare with tornadoes on a TCRC spawn if they followed the fleet going and shot for the poor dude getting 2 otuni neuting him to ****. I can't remember if the initial spawn point the first primary tho. If it did, you would not need to divert rat aggro to yourself with a point... Anyone tried to do that? It's probbaly hard as hell to time well...


The thing I like about EvE is that people are so very creative and do try stuff. If there is a reliable way to ruin someone's day, it will be found. Think about all the tantalizing and blingy boats that are out there day after day, yet for all the pilots various groups have to man catalysts, talos, and even brutix, these are left alone.

Yeah there are stories of particularly bling encrusted boats being ganked, but the frequency with which it happens, versus what you would expect given the target quality and density speaks volumes on how practical and viable it is.

Another issue is that well...thanks to the changes in AegisSov, Pirate battleships are cheap, as is bling. Pirates actually don't have as easy a time staying solvent when none of the loot is worth much any more.

Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X.....XI.....XII?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1336 - 2015-11-24 22:00:36 UTC
Vic Jefferson wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Sometime I wonder how a gank would fare with tornadoes on a TCRC spawn if they followed the fleet going and shot for the poor dude getting 2 otuni neuting him to ****. I can't remember if the initial spawn point the first primary tho. If it did, you would not need to divert rat aggro to yourself with a point... Anyone tried to do that? It's probbaly hard as hell to time well...


The thing I like about EvE is that people are so very creative and do try stuff. If there is a reliable way to ruin someone's day, it will be found. Think about all the tantalizing and blingy boats that are out there day after day, yet for all the pilots various groups have to man catalysts, talos, and even brutix, these are left alone.

Yeah there are stories of particularly bling encrusted boats being ganked, but the frequency with which it happens, versus what you would expect given the target quality and density speaks volumes on how practical and viable it is.

Another issue is that well...thanks to the changes in AegisSov, Pirate battleships are cheap, as is bling. Pirates actually don't have as easy a time staying solvent when none of the loot is worth much any more.



The market value of loot crashing is not really related unless you think CCP should nerf/buff ships potential EHP following market trends... At what level of bling should a ship be gank-worthy anyway? Should it be worth it with a T2 fit? faction? C type? B type? A type? If you say A type, should the potential EHP of ships gets nerfed every time mods get more farmed and thus drop in price to another lower level?

How much teamwork is supposed to be enough to prevent yourself from being ganked or at least to be put out of financially sound to gank?
Cannibal Zuza
Doomheim
#1337 - 2015-11-25 08:00:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Cannibal Zuza
Jenn aSide wrote:
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:

So long as CCP in general insists on prioritizing the sale of salads to vegans, who spend their days sitting on plush bean bag chairs in hipster coffee houses in hisec, EvE will never reach critical mass based on what actually generates buzz and sells EvE.

CCP has already spent the last few years trying to make hisec safer and more content-rich, while kicking their bread-and-butter hype machine in nullsec di-rectly in the ballsack...and do they now wonder in amazement why a massive migration and land-grab from the other regions into the new nullsec hasn't happened while hisec remains a content and ISK rich land of milk and honey?

Here's a hint...

BR-5's, 6-VDT's and large scale battles sell eve. A dank mining, incursion running or industry video from hisec comparatively does not.

CCP was bold with nullsec changes. Time to be bold again.

F





I agree with most of what you say and always tend to agree. But I disagree completely with you ship insurance idea. People don't refrain from pvp because they don't like losing ships (and EVE is so flush with ways of making isk, losses don't count much either). people don't pvp because (amongst other reasons) they don't like to lose, period. Nothing you do, not free ships, not removing kill mails, nothing you can do will change that. Ever.

What it will do is make my take tech2 fit mach alt teams into wormholes to make isk. People who already don't mind loosing ships might lose a few more, but it wouldn't have the impact you think it would.

I know the idea sounds good in your head, but it's not.


So says Miss Knowitall. You just think you have all the answers and that you're always right don't you. I'm not convince that you actually know what you're talking about. In fact to me you just sound like one of those bitter vets who've been playing this game far too long for his/her own good.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#1338 - 2015-11-25 09:01:18 UTC
unidenify wrote:
Lara Sunji wrote:
Wardec incursion groups if you are so unhappy with them. It's what you do to other people who do other activities in the game. So until then, shush.


solution, ban all NPC corp from forum and incursion

if you want to do high sec incursion, you must be in player-owned corp. And let yourself to subject to risk of wardeccer in return for high reward


Banning NPC corps from incursions will just move those players into 1-man corps. Many incursion runners are already in single man corps for tax reasons anyway so your idea will just push the rest over. Even if my 1-man corp got wardecced, it's just me, there's nothing stopping me from dropping corp and making a new one. Highsec incursions cannot be meaningfully disrupted and everyone knows it; where else do you see people flying multi billion isk ships they have personally paid for?

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Raya Su Rollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1339 - 2015-11-25 09:53:26 UTC
I've carefully read the OPs text and I can say all 4 points are FLAWED. I can easily prove it, but I have no incentive to do so. Basically, if CCP ever nerfs incursions or move them to lowsec ( like they did with L5s ), not only almost nobody will do them, but also they would move another ISK faucet to low/NULL sec.

Have to remind everyone that the "Bounties" are already the highest isk faucet in the game and the ratting happen mostly in NULL. There people farm even in supers, worth 20b or simply in carriers, but these things are not well known as tthose who blame the Highsec Incursions either never go NULL or they're simply living in null and hope to make even more money, not just from ratting, but also from incursions.

In conclusion, if they remove the incursions from Highsec, all the isk faucets ( Bounties, DED sites, incursions will be in 0.0 space and very little left in HS.
Black Pedro
Mine.
#1340 - 2015-11-25 10:08:11 UTC
Raya Su Rollard wrote:
In conclusion, if they remove the incursions from Highsec, all the isk faucets ( Bounties, DED sites, incursions will be in 0.0 space and very little left in HS.
Isn't that how a sandbox game with income based on risk vs. reward should be?

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