EVE General Discussion

A lot of the decline has to do with with the ban on input broadcasting. Most of them that did it ran missions or mined. You don't need multiple people to mine or run missions. Only purpose multi boxing serves there is to earn more ISK per hour. It wasn't uncommon to come across 10 man mining fleet controlled by one person using ISBOXER. They would wipe clean whole systems in just a couple hours. To be honest it was getting quite ridiculous. You had one with HUNDREDS of accounts that mined ice. He wipe while ice belts in an hour or less making 10,000,000,000s ISK a DAY IN HIGH SEC! If EVE needs a bunch ISBOXERs to stay alive, which it doesn't, then it's already dead.

Do yourself a favor and get out of the NPC corp. Most player corps are quite friendly. It's only the ELITE PVP corps that are typically ran by assholes, and even then there are some very nice PVP corps out there.

what content is only available to groups other than incursions that need such a fleet that a single person with 2-3 accounts can not do on there own?

Generally you are mining ice, as that's where the efficiency is best.

Even with ore though, it's not actually too difficult to control. I know because I historically have run 20 accounts with no ISBoxer (I didn't feel the ISBoxer sub costs were worth the benefit). As long as you have something to tile your clients so you can rapidly swap between them (eve-o preview for example) then it's really not much effort. Bear in mind that a cycle is like 90-100s or something in a maxed skiff with boosts. 18 miners, 1 booster, 1 hauler, assuming that 2 cycles is a rock gone, you need to change rocks and unload into the hauler 18 times every 3 minutes. With a huge amount of ease you can keep everyone cycling and still have enough idle time to play sleeping dogs.

The thing you miss though is that even with ISBoxer, you have to target each client individually, otherwise you'll get a huge problem with them all targeting the same rocks and killing each others efficiency. The only benefits ISBoxer had is it allowed you to undock together (my solution, never dock) open all your cargo holds, and turn on defenses together (my solution, bind all of my keys close to each other then headbutt the keyboard for each client once at the start) and shift cargo from the miners to the hauler (the only real benefit and as mentioned above, really not a big deal since you're manually targeting each anyway). The real truth is that manually multiboxing has always been more efficient for mining than broadcasting until you get get to 30-40 clients because broadcasting promoted lazyness which reduced efficiency.

I fully agree, getting rid of those hyperdunk cheaters was a good call.

The same applies to bots. Explain the difference please.

Well the main difference is efficiency. A bot can sustain 100% efficiency continuously for as long as it runs. A broadcaster will find his efficiency per character drops quite drastically. Up to about 30 characters a broadcasting miner for example will actually find his efficiency below that of a manual multiboxer.

Another pretty big difference is that most larger scale botters do so to generate isk for RMT, while multiboxers tend to do it for the enjoyment. Botters will also be less likely to be seen in massive smartbombable blobs. I mean think about it, that big group of 20 characters all mining together, they get reported constantly by people who don't like them so they are under heavy scrutiny. That one guy here, one guy a region over, another 5 jumps from that, far less scrutiny. Bots don't needs to be grouped as each one thinks for itself. I'd wager that far more individual "solo" characters are bots than behemoth groups.

Well they haven't really done much else worth talking about to be fair. It's basically this and sov.

I hear they also banned the goblin from here because he went full Trump mode. You could post about that.

Enjoy paying hundreds of dollars for a remake of the same crappy game you played 17 years ago.

+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes.