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Update regarding Multiboxing and input automation

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#4461 - 2015-12-13 18:33:16 UTC
Globby wrote:
+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes.

Only about a year late but I'm sure they appreciate your +1.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#4462 - 2015-12-13 21:17:12 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Globby wrote:
+1 CCP I wholeheartedly agree with these changes.
Only about a year late but I'm sure they appreciate your +1.
He does it every month or so. I think he sped up when they took away his hyperdunking exploit cos now he all mad.

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Random User83
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4463 - 2015-12-15 12:18:50 UTC
Still doing VG's just fine. Still Mining with my fleet of 12 just fine. I had to upgrade my PC to run 12 clients in windowed mode, but VG's are easy. 2 logi on one screen, 8 DPS on the other. No boxing, No broadcasting needed. easy peasy. Mining is just listening for asteroid depleted and alt tabbing through to find the one with no lazer cycling. Especially like the new launcher that lets you fire off 12 accounts at once without having to log in to each one individually +1 CCP!

I'm a strong independant alt that don't need no main...

Globby
Never Ignorant Gettin' Goals Accomplished
Gimme Da Loot
#4464 - 2015-12-30 21:10:40 UTC
thank goodness ccp changed this. im glad all the input cheaters are gone. THANKS CCP!!
Kaeto
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4465 - 2016-01-24 20:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaeto
still isn't clear if keyboard macros are allowed?
can I set my keyboard macro button to recall drones, set max speed, activate afterburner with one press?

the only mention I find in the eula ( http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-eula/ ):
"You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game."

recalling drones, set max speed, and activate afterburner does not facilitate rank or status at an accelerated rate.

Also in the beginning post of this thread:
"Input Automation refers to actions that are commonly also referred to as botting or macroing. This term is used to describe, but is not limited to, the automation of actions which have consequences in the EVE universe."

does my example have consequences in the Eve universe? I would say no? They say "is not limited to", where can we find exactly what is included? The only reference in the EULA to macros is what I posted above.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#4466 - 2016-01-26 17:20:15 UTC
Kaeto wrote:

can I set my keyboard macro button to recall drones, set max speed, activate afterburner with one press?



Yes, go to the escape menu ingame and set the short cuts there. I think they are already set by default but you can change them to a key that suits you better.

No need for any third-party programs CCP has a lot of basic shortcuts already available.

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CyPhiR
Last Stand Enterprises
#4467 - 2016-01-28 11:00:54 UTC
I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work.Big smile
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#4468 - 2016-02-08 13:29:41 UTC
Wow, this thread is still open?
GALACTIC SOUL
Mine-Refine-Industries
New Eden Industrial Solutions
#4469 - 2016-02-09 11:55:09 UTC
CyPhiR wrote:
I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work.Big smile




This does sound like a step in the right direction.

I think even just being able to link your accounts/clients in game in more user friendly way would be great.

For example in a fleet If I warp my clients to a gate I have to swap to every player and click "jump". It's annoying. But If I click a gate on each client I can select "warp and jump through gate". It would great to be able to warp my whole fleet and jump them all through gate. Same thing goes for docking my clients in station, Warp fleet and dock them all pls.

Another feature I would like to see for multiple clients is a follow command, so my client will follow my main like a pack of wolves behind me, jumping through gates and following me on missions. I would swap to the clients once mission or pvp location has been arrived at, I know auto pilot exists but it's slow, and you need to setup route on each client. Follow command would work for me here.

Generally speaking just make the game a bit more user friendly for multiple clients using little things like the above.

It would need some authentication token to create the link between accounts/clients, which would then link the characters. Allow those linked clients the follow command and upgraded fleet warp pls.

Rambling done. Good work CCP keep it up Big smile
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#4470 - 2016-02-09 12:40:25 UTC
Sounds like you're really going to hate it if CCP get around to putting in their fleet warp changes.

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GALACTIC SOUL
Mine-Refine-Industries
New Eden Industrial Solutions
#4471 - 2016-02-09 13:36:59 UTC
Just found those fleet changes coming up, Yes I hate them. X
Rin Vocaloid2
DUST University
#4472 - 2016-02-25 01:43:27 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
Wow, this thread is still open?


I know, right? 2 freaking years.
kraken11 jensen
ROOKS AND KRAKENS
Requiem Eternal
#4473 - 2016-02-25 08:11:02 UTC
I don't belive the fleet changes is going to happened, I just cant belive it.
KC Kamikaze
Blue-Fire
Great Blue Balls of Fire
#4474 - 2016-02-25 16:15:25 UTC
GALACTIC SOUL wrote:
CyPhiR wrote:
I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work.Big smile




This does sound like a step in the right direction.

I think even just being able to link your accounts/clients in game in more user friendly way would be great.

For example in a fleet If I warp my clients to a gate I have to swap to every player and click "jump". It's annoying. But If I click a gate on each client I can select "warp and jump through gate". It would great to be able to warp my whole fleet and jump them all through gate. Same thing goes for docking my clients in station, Warp fleet and dock them all pls.

Another feature I would like to see for multiple clients is a follow command, so my client will follow my main like a pack of wolves behind me, jumping through gates and following me on missions. I would swap to the clients once mission or pvp location has been arrived at, I know auto pilot exists but it's slow, and you need to setup route on each client. Follow command would work for me here.

Generally speaking just make the game a bit more user friendly for multiple clients using little things like the above.

It would need some authentication token to create the link between accounts/clients, which would then link the characters. Allow those linked clients the follow command and upgraded fleet warp pls.

Rambling done. Good work CCP keep it up Big smile


The follow feature exists. It's called group and it's used by clicking the little lines in teh upper left of the fleet window and selecting group from the menu ... maybe it's not "group" but its something similar.
Death Reactor
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4475 - 2016-02-27 23:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Death Reactor
Windows is a 3rd party application<-----The decision to prohibit people from using portions of each game into one window needs to be reversed. I can understand input automation and broadcasts but this particular part needs to be recinded. You can already almost do it with clever window positioning of the clients. CCP needs to be less about a player cannot get advantage over another and should go in the direction of a account cannot gain a advantage. I run 16 accounts and while i am in compliance with these rulings i feel they need to be changed.

:edit If multiboxing is allowed according to the eula...shouldnt someone who is mulitboxing and not cheating or botting as free as possible to make each of those clients approach the same effectivness as if it were their sole account as humanly possible and only take human error into account for any degradation.
marly cortez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4476 - 2016-02-29 13:44:48 UTC
The debate regarding ISBOXER type utilities rages on and rightly so, Fueled as it is by CCP's utter refusal to clarify the situation in detail and by the did and did not use factions often spurious claims.

Fact remains though and fact it is that CCP shot itself in both feet and the head over this matter in a single statement put out on page one were they not only laid down the ground work for the loss of many hundreds of active Dollar generating clients associated with there use but also in many cases that of the Main account holders themselves, Had I been in accounts I would have been taking a serous look at what those guys were smoking at the time to be honest when they thought this was a good idea.

The other side of the argument is one many of us have pondered on for a long time now, Why is CCP so Luddite in it's approach to third party software and utilities, after all here was a clear opportunity to cash in on something that players obviously found very attractive to there own individual game content generation and style, Several months ago I floated this idea in another thread that maybe a better approach would have been for CCP to buy the rights to ISBOXER, modify it's operation to suit Eve and then rent it's use at say a plex per month to players knowing they were in full control of how it interacted with the game overall.

Sadly this is not to be as CCP still refrain from either clarification of the position regarding such tools or giving the players what they so dearly would like to have, A suite of custom made tools they can trust that they can use without risking the ban hammer every time they turn on there computers.

Play fair CCP and do right by your customers.

Humanity is the thin veneer that remains after you remove the baffled chimp.

Lykouleon
Noble Sentiments
Second Empire.
#4477 - 2016-03-03 14:20:16 UTC
Why is this thread still a thing?

Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword

Drago Shouna
Doomheim
#4478 - 2016-03-08 08:00:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Drago Shouna
And another idiot gets banned, RedThreat was streaming on Twitch apparently using isbox and using input automation on 26 accounts and got banned mid broadcast. He was also cutting and stitching windows somehow which is also illegal.

Awesome.



According to an evemail I received....he was using videofx to cut and stitch all the overlays into one window, and not input automation.

Either way thats someone else who needs an outside programme to control 26 accounts banned (temp apparently)

So its still cheating.

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tasman devil
Puritans
We want your ISK
#4479 - 2016-03-08 10:00:44 UTC
CyPhiR wrote:
I have a suggestion and I just hope a Ccp Dev is reading ... All the arguments about what is and isn't legal according to the eula rules, why doesn't Ccp with all their brilliant staff and coders, just design their own multi boxing software. Hell, I'd rather use Ccp software than use something that might or might not get my account banned ... Ccp, please think about it because it's stupid little arguments like this that keep putting me off this game .. I love eve and my sp level shows that ... Please seriously consider making your own multi boxing software designed specifically for eve online. Thanks. Game on guys and keep up the good work.Big smile

you sir, have my upvote!

I don't belive in reincarnation I've never believed in it in my previous lives either...

Anastis Beonis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4480 - 2016-03-08 16:56:49 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Mierin Arthie wrote:
How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard?

for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch


That doesn't broadcast, it just changes where input goes - it should be fine.


It should not be an issue. You are still only pinging once for each input per switch line. IS BOXER spamms multiple pings for each command untill the command is executed, which is what makes it easy to detect. Same with MAcro Keyboards etc.. they poll the commands so fast it would be impossible for a human to physyically do it... and thats how they know your doing it.