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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#1201 - 2015-11-20 22:41:26 UTC
Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.

Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.


Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1202 - 2015-11-20 23:08:26 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.

Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.


Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!


Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest?

This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1203 - 2015-11-20 23:18:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Hilti Enaka
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.

Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.


Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!


Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest?

This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.


Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece.

Pretty uneducated troll.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1204 - 2015-11-20 23:47:49 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.

Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.


Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!


Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest?

This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.


Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece.

Pretty uneducated troll.


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1205 - 2015-11-21 00:02:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Fastest way to end highsec incursions is NOT to go begging to CCP.

Just pop the mothership when it appears. But that might require having friends and being skilled for more than just ganking defenseless freighters.


Player-based in-game solutions. Gotta love them!


Or, we can keep doing what we are doing, running the incursions on alts, freezing out high sec players who might want to do them themselves, and funnel the outrageous isk faucet into null sec like everything else. Why would we kill our own cash cow like you suggest?

This thread is proof that only some of us favor balance over benefit.


Thats BS. Your just too lazy to do anything about it, I mean you've just answered why there is nothing wrong with HS incursions, the mechanic is there is stop people from farming them and at the same time allow you to get your own piece.

Pretty uneducated troll.


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#1206 - 2015-11-21 00:45:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Hilti Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.

'
What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.

That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.
Hilti Enaka
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1207 - 2015-11-21 00:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Hilti Enaka
Jenn aSide wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.

'
What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.

That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.


all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users.

How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity.
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1208 - 2015-11-21 01:06:15 UTC
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.

'
What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.

That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.


all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users.

How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity.

Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude?
You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man?
Wtf are you bill gates?

Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins.
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1209 - 2015-11-21 01:13:32 UTC
Persifonne wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.

'
What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.

That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.


all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users.

How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity.

Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude?
You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man?
Wtf are you bill gates?

Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins.


Disagree, nothing needs changing
Persifonne
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1210 - 2015-11-21 01:20:03 UTC
AtramLolipop wrote:
Persifonne wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
Hilti Enaka wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


Why would we waste time killing the mother ship? As said we will abuse this easy isk ourselves and have nothing to gain from killing the mother ship.


We'll look forward to seeing you then.
'
What do you mean? Were already here lol. I've been running incursions (with a few breaks) for 5 years.

That's what you short sighted folks don't see. Either way, we win. What's being asked for is a better rewards balance, not punishment of people just playing within the rules.


all 450 people of us. Correction 295 people by tonights active users.

How on earth are you still badgering on about playing within the rules, its a group activity.

Haven't you made enough isk from these Plex printing incursions dude?
You need to print billions for tge next 5 years too man?
Wtf are you bill gates?

Dont ve greedy, just support a medium sized payout nerf and everyone wins.


Disagree, nothing needs changing

Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend.
Thats 4 plex a month risk free.


No problem here?
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1211 - 2015-11-21 02:21:20 UTC  |  Edited by: AtramLolipop
Persifonne wrote:

Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend.
Thats 4 plex a month risk free.


No problem here?



Let me correct this:

Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.

In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity
In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity
In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity

A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1212 - 2015-11-21 03:03:59 UTC
AtramLolipop wrote:
Persifonne wrote:

Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend.
Thats 4 plex a month risk free.


No problem here?



Let me correct this:

Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.

In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity
In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity
In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity

A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.


Why do you feel the need to not just lie, but to lie about things that are so easily disproven?
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
#1213 - 2015-11-21 03:11:26 UTC
Persifonne wrote:

Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend.
Thats 4 plex a month risk free.


No problem here?


i agree with you its ridicoulous.

@JerryTPepridge
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#1214 - 2015-11-21 03:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Jenn aSide wrote:
Mr Mieyli wrote:
StuRyan wrote:
If nullbears actually had the same level of ability and willingness to run them in null sec they would trump isk/hour 3 fold and thats even with the less blingy ships you see in HS.



So you think the solution is the whole of nullsec should put aside their differences for the noble goal of farming isk?


He probably does think that. Extreme self interest (ie don't nerf this thing i depend on, even if it's terrible) and prejudice (notice the word 'nullbears') causes delusion, and delusion makes unreasonable things (all null should blue up and incursion farm) seem reasonable to people like that lol.

Like I been saying, it really doesn't matter what people like that think. Some CCP guys has shown increasing signs of awareness of these issues when we talk to them at player events and such. It took CCP 3+ years to fix the high sec lvl 5 bug (and that was an acutal bug and one they knew about from the start), they'll eventually fix the situation we are discussing here too.


Sometimes fixing "things" ends up not going the way some people (like you) want them to. This problem you are currently describing is the least of "things" that needs fixing in Eve atm. There are tons of other "things" that CCP should be focusing on in Eve right now instead of humoring nullbears desire to nerf hi-sec income into the ground cause they can make close to what they make in null.

Unfortunately there are some individuals that lack the ability to just mind their own friggin business and just enjoy doing their own thing which are the main ones complaining about Hi-Sec income (I'm not naming anyone cause they know who they are).

Self interest?... yes of course it is. Everyone plays Eve for their own reasons and enjoyment. Why is that a bad thing? Jenn, are you any different? If you say you're not then you're either lying or deceiving yourself.
Paranoid Loyd
#1215 - 2015-11-21 03:25:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Daniela Doran wrote:
Unfortunately there are some individuals that lack the ability to just mind their own friggin business and just enjoy doing their own thing which are the main ones complaining about Hi-Sec income (I'm not naming anyone cause they know who they are).
The game is built in such a way that everything has an overall effect, therefore if one truly understands the game, they realize everything is everyone's business.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1216 - 2015-11-21 03:28:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
AtramLolipop wrote:
Persifonne wrote:

Its okay to make a plex over the weekend with basically zero risk of awoxing, wardecs, and suicide ganks in highsec? Thats like crazy isk even if you only do them say 5hrs a weekend.
Thats 4 plex a month risk free.


No problem here?



Let me correct this:

Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.

In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity
In 5 hours i've cherned 16 lvl 5's - solo activity
In 5 hours i've ratted in my carrier - solo activity

A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.


Why do you feel the need to not just lie, but to lie about things that are so easily disproven?


I'm lying because I've been able to do make isk through solo means for plex in 5 hours?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1217 - 2015-11-21 03:43:03 UTC
AtramLolipop wrote:


I'm lying because I've been able to do make isk through solo means for plex in 5 hours?


Shall we go step by step?

AtramLolipop wrote:

Zero risk of awoxing Wardecs, and Suicide ganks -> happens regularly.


Chances of being ganked in a mission boat are the same as being struck by lightning in real life. You are in a fleet with combat capable ships, buffer tanks and with logi support. You aren't getting ganked. Equally you are not going to get wardecs because NPC corps cant be wardeced and nobody will awox these days.

AtramLolipop wrote:

A mandatory requirement for that 5 hours is the complete trust of strangers with your ship and a high level of team work. Whilst it its a group activity there is absolutely no problem here.


Ratting in sov null is a group activity spanning hundreds to thousands of other pilots who put in a lot more time and work than any incursion fleet. The fact that the incursion fleet in highsec earns a lot more for far less work and risk is a big problem.

AtramLolipop wrote:

In 5 hours I've managed 16 poses - solo activity


Line members don't own moons, we don't get one personal money moon let alone 16. These are alliance assets as it requires an alliance to protect it.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#1218 - 2015-11-21 03:46:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
baltec1 wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:

Character assassination, how original Lol

Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves.

Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this.


You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart?


That shouldn't happen if the fleet is in your own Sovereign space, right?

If CCP begins creating Null sec incursions then it shouldn't be a problem running them in your own space. These incursions should be like 10x the size and difficulty of the incursions in hi-sec which should also allow Caps & Supers.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1219 - 2015-11-21 03:56:40 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Daniela Doran wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:

Character assassination, how original Lol

Regardless, what I said applies to all nullsec alliances, there's no focus on one specific alliance but it is telling that the biggest ones wont even bother. It's there for the taking but you know, being risk averse is not something exclusive to HS players it seems. It's not null that's dead, it's the people that live there. The stories I've heard of Nullsec Alliances back in the day and what I see in game and on the forums now are so different it's no wonder. Would rather whine to CCP day and night than lift a finger to affect change themselves.

Whatever, not even worth the time I'm spending to write this.


You honestly think anyone would be able to take a 40 man pve battleship fleet into null without it getting torn apart?


That shouldn't happen if the fleet is in your own Sovereign space, right?

If CCP begins creating Null sec incursions then it shouldn't be a problem running them in your own space. These incursions should be like 10x the size and difficulty of the incursions in hi-sec which should also allow Caps & Supers.


They pop up in our space once every 1-3 months and are finished as quickly as possible as they cripple jump bridge networks, halt all other pve activity and damage our defences.
AtramLolipop
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1220 - 2015-11-21 03:56:53 UTC  |  Edited by: AtramLolipop
Let's try again because you're far from the truth.

baltec1 wrote:


Chances of being ganked in a mission boat are the same as being struck by lightning in real life. You are in a fleet with combat capable ships, buffer tanks and with logi support. You aren't getting ganked. Equally you are not going to get wardecs because NPC corps cant be wardeced and nobody will awox these days.



dear boy ganking doesn't happen in sites.

baltec1 wrote:


Ratting in sov null is a group activity spanning hundreds to thousands of other pilots who put in a lot more time and work than any incursion fleet. The fact that the incursion fleet in highsec earns a lot more for far less work and risk is a big problem.



Try the fact that with out a solid back bone a HS incursion is useless. Ratting in null sec is very much a solo activity I don't care what you say about time and work, both require effort but ratting is very done solo.

baltec1 wrote:


Line members don't own moons, we don't get one personal money moon let alone 16. These are alliance assets as it requires an alliance to protect it.



You're doing it wrong, that's the most ******** thing i've ever heard.