EVE General Discussion

They're still going to have to do better with drifter incursions than they are right now. If you don't make it worth while for incursion runners, they simply won't do it. "HAHAHA, but we'll remove sansha incursions!" So people will either grind lvl 4s or just quit the game. If you know anything about players, you know you can't force them to do content, especially by removing other content. That's an asinine way of going about the process. Just make the new content desirable and the rest will take care of itself.

I remember very very clearly when incursions started and their introduction.

There was no magical grand influx of players into the game because of them.
Yet if ccp nerfs them, suddenly there shall be aass exodus cuz those players only keep playomg to run incursions erryday??


Those idiots obviously need saved from incursion comms if they are tbat addicted. Also dude you are ignorant.

No freaking joined eve just to run incursions. So if they go away it aint like ccp is taking a hatchet to these sad peoples only play style.
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Lkke ccp did with ....

AWOX REMOVAL/HARD NERF
CANFLIP REMOVAL
SUICIDE GANK NERF AFTER GANK NERF FOR OVER 5 YEARS
MINER/MISSIONER BUFF STEADY BUFFING
LOL CRIMEWATCH
FREAKING NINJA SALVAGINING
CONCORD BUFFS

Etc etc


You incursion bears aint been nerfed for over 5years. Its your turn.
People do play solely to partake in the actions i listed above yet ccp said **** off we are nerfing yo ****

Aint nobody gonna quit eve cuz their only goal in life is to run incursions 5 hours a day.
And if so, gtfo

Incursions have actually been nerfed at least twice in the last few years. So learn what you are talking about first.
And Null/Low incursions have been buffed, and there is now a dedicated lowsec incursion community (I believe it is the russians) who feature in the last economic dev blogs incursion figures, since those of us who watch incursion journals have been aware they have been running for several months now, ever since the buff to low/null incursion running in the form of larger fleet sizes. Exactly how lucrative it is you would have to ask them, but they sure haven't folded under pressure.

Anyway, drifter incursions have been nerfed with CCP changing how the DD works in such a way that there are 'counters'. Even if those counters do force some niche fits which will be laughable in any PvP environment like low security. CCP, please consider the effect of low security on the drifter incursions and consider increasing fleet size.
Also consider that if ship loss is expected working out a better way to do payout, since anyone who loses their ship doesn't get payout unless they can reship fast enough back into site, which is silly.

The revamp in Hyperion basically didn't affect highsec incursions which are the ones everyone complained about, however utterly hammered scout sites as runnable content.
Scouts used to be used as fleet training even thought the payout was miserable. Hyperion made them utterly laughable as they were mainly jamming frigates. The Low & Null buff I referred to started with hyperion though, however I don't think you are particularly targeting low & null incursions anyway.
Assaults also have never been out of balance, and the NCN wall referred to in Hyperion was making them far to tedious and finicky to run.

I sure don't remember any 'higher' reward with inferno, I do remember some massive slams to vanguards however. I don't have blogs handy on them either. But there most certainly was the great vanguard nerf, as between the nerfs to vanguards a couple of smaller communities actually folded.
And Vanguards were actually the excessive moneymaker at the time.

A better income analysis showing dedicated hours of incursion runners (then remember most people spend 50% of their time on wait list). Hours of lvl 6 WH escalation running. Hours of null 10/10 and anom grinding. And how much income each of those categories actually makes would be something I'd be curious to see.
But the figures in the economic blog were pointless with regards to saying if incursions earn to much since they included the miner who killed a 1.0 belt rat as 'doing PvE' so give us no clue how many people are running dedicated income earning and how many people are doing an abstract belt rat or single mission per log in.

But what nerfs have CCP implemented to incursions, that you mentioned earlier?

I can't see any in any of the patch notes or release information going back, but I'm no expert. Nothing against incursions as a source of income for people.

I'm just interested in what the nerfs have been and the original info from CCP about them.

In terms of inferno buffs, the original devblog link seems to be broken (and doesn't appear to be in the devblog list going right through 2012 individually), but this is the info on rolling back the changes slightly that occurred in June 2012:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/incursions-update/

That was just a rollback of the buffs a bit because they were initially too good not an overall nerf, as far as I can find from other sources.

For example, the wikipedia page on expansions indicates that rewards were buffed in Inferno:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expansions_of_Eve_Online#Inferno

There are other third-party gaming websites that also refer to buffs in Inferno.

You used to be able to blitz sites and the NPCs were much easier to deal with. Those were probably the biggest nerfs effectively as while pay was the same the time between payout increased dramatically. There's been various tweaks done by CCP over the years that didn't involve payout but did decrease overall isk per hour.

So if you're just looking for straight payout decreases I can see why you're having issues finding more then a few minor looking nerfs.

The first link is talking about rolling back some of the nerfs that CCP hammered incursions with. THey made it so influence built so fast it was tough getting HQ fleets to run. They also overkilled on the payout nerf especially on VGs. So they rolled that back too. Although you can see in that dev post that CCP is talking about the NPC and trigger nerf I stated earlier.

That Wikipedia link makes me scratch my head as it was inferno that released the nerfs to incursions not buffs. Someone got that badly wrong. Your first link clearly shows that is the case as it's commenting about rolling back the inferno nerfs and the date is post inferno. Not sure if someone just screwed up when they edited that section of the wiki or if it's malicious.

will ccp give any clue on news or its all up to the players?

I think the drifters will only attack those that attacks them and that may includes incursions so no more free relaxing trips for incursioners when traveling from site to site.

Yep DDD days kill Deltol to spawn next wave repeat 2 more times and in 2 min time you earned 10mill isk current site time is 5min.

Along with that CCP in their infinite wisdom nerf ed isk payment and fiddle with NPC ship spawns and or tanks...that in return almost killed incursions their own content from 3-4 high sec incursions at any given time only one could be run there was simply no enough ppl interested enough to run them.

AND all the weeps.from blue sec foaming on their mouth nose and eyelids from rage how dare CCP to give their"grunt monkeys" and "renters scrubs" option to earn isk beyond their borders (aperently when you have all dunk you can threat ppl as garbage).

Battleship AU nerfs nered income as well.

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Only thing that's gonna make me orbit a can while TDing NPC is isk massive amount of it because fun haz nothing to do with it.

So its still broken till some fay caboos CCP say its fix.