These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

EVE New Citizens Q&A

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
12Next page
 

HiSec Roam to Practice Fleet Communication and other Dance Moves

Author
Nellie Sharpe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-11-18 15:42:40 UTC
Hi,

I just finished the Agony Unleashed PvP Basics class (amazing). Is anyone interested in a public non-bloody roam in Hisec? I was totally lost (and literally lost, also) when it came to following the FC instructions (ie, keeping up with the fast-talk, reading my overview- I didn't realize it could be set for alphabetical- yes, I was sucking). Here's my idea:

An experienced FC, a bunch of rookies, some asteroids to lock onto/scram/etc, maybe some experienced support, practice joining a fleet, using TS push to talk, reading the overview, aligning at a gate, holding at gate, remaining cloaked etc (the Agony Unleashed forum has such good reading material- and Jester made an amazing Fleet Communication guide,

Review appropriate fleet parlance, broadcast, and TS in general.

This might even be a good way to train for FC.

If this is already happening, please let me know how to join this activity. If you are in an Alliance, it would be a great way to recruit raw talent~

Fly safe o7



Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#2 - 2015-11-18 16:07:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
GUIZE WHATS A TITAN AND HOW DO I TAKE THE BRIDGE!

being an fc is a bit different to being in a fleet, calling primaries and making sure the fleet is not dying while also controlling your own ship requires a crazy amount of skill and focus.

Good news that you are trying pvp fleets can be very daunting the first time, you will mess up quite alot and different areas of space require a different style of fc'ing.

Good luck and hope you enjoy fleet fights in the future :)

There is alot of corps that offer this to rookies, some of the merc alliances can help you with this as i know they do like to help rookies getting into pvp and im sure they will show up here soon, most of them will supply ships aswell for you to die in

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#3 - 2015-11-18 16:14:10 UTC
Nellie Sharpe wrote:
Hi,

I just finished the Agony Unleashed PvP Basics class (amazing). Is anyone interested in a public non-bloody roam in Hisec? I was totally lost (and literally lost, also) when it came to following the FC instructions (ie, keeping up with the fast-talk, reading my overview- I didn't realize it could be set for alphabetical- yes, I was sucking). Here's my idea:

An experienced FC, a bunch of rookies, some asteroids to lock onto/scram/etc, maybe some experienced support, practice joining a fleet, using TS push to talk, reading the overview, aligning at a gate, holding at gate, remaining cloaked etc (the Agony Unleashed forum has such good reading material- and Jester made an amazing Fleet Communication guide,

Review appropriate fleet parlance, broadcast, and TS in general.

This might even be a good way to train for FC.

If this is already happening, please let me know how to join this activity. If you are in an Alliance, it would be a great way to recruit raw talent~

Fly safe o7





I don't know that anyone is really doing these sorts of "dry run" roams. They seem kind of pointless - if you are going to form up a PvP fleet, why not use it to PvP? The worst thing that could happen is you get killed and lose some imaginary spaceships, but even then you will have a better learning experience than you would from locking up asteroids and ****.

If you look into it, you will see that all of the large newbie friendly organizations in the game (Pandemic Horde, EVE University, Brave Newbies IncUgh, Karmafleet) run training fleets. These are typically for their own members (join one of them), but often you will see public roams for newbros advertised in this forum too. Usually these sorts of fleets do actually go out and try to kill things, in addition to training and practicing fleet behavior. Another thing worth clarifying is that any of these organizations will be fine with one of their members forming up their own fleets for whatever purpose regardless of whether you actually know what you're doing or not.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#4 - 2015-11-18 16:14:38 UTC
Make it bloody, shoot suspects.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#5 - 2015-11-18 16:22:53 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Make it bloody, shoot suspects.


not on the undock though because thats bait Pirate

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Broject
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-11-18 16:25:07 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Make it bloody, shoot suspects.


not on the undock though because thats bait Pirate

Unless you can alpha it off the field.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#7 - 2015-11-18 16:43:24 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Make it bloody, shoot suspects.


not on the undock though because thats bait Pirate

Engage with only part of the fleet first, wait to see what they re-engage with and then dump the rest of the fleet on it. Suspect bait calls for the classic counter-bait then hammer drop procedure.

If you identify a trap it is your job to figure out a way to spring it but then win anyway.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-11-18 16:47:00 UTC
See if these guys are still going at it.

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Nellie Sharpe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-11-18 18:28:32 UTC
Thanks to all for the feedback. I suppose keeping it non-bloody (at least to start) helps with the primary task at hand and limits the pod death, reship, find fleet thing (good lessons, yeah).

Transitioning to null or losec after getting a feel for the timing and fleet comm faux pas would be ideal. But yeah, nothing like eating excrement to bring home a lesson.

I'll check out the suggestions. PvP is so fun, so complicated, so humbling, so humiliating... Etc

Thnx again.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#10 - 2015-11-18 18:41:52 UTC
Its all practice at the end of the day, dying is a major part of the learning

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Broject
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-11-18 20:21:06 UTC
I can do this.

What'd you like to do?
Zduhac Aldent
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-11-18 20:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Zduhac Aldent
Nellie Sharpe wrote:
Hi,

I just finished the Agony Unleashed PvP Basics class (amazing). Is anyone interested in a public non-bloody roam in Hisec? I was totally lost (and literally lost, also) when it came to following the FC instructions (ie, keeping up with the fast-talk, reading my overview- I didn't realize it could be set for alphabetical- yes, I was sucking). Here's my idea:

An experienced FC, a bunch of rookies, some asteroids to lock onto/scram/etc, maybe some experienced support, practice joining a fleet, using TS push to talk, reading the overview, aligning at a gate, holding at gate, remaining cloaked etc (the Agony Unleashed forum has such good reading material- and Jester made an amazing Fleet Communication guide,

Review appropriate fleet parlance, broadcast, and TS in general.

This might even be a good way to train for FC.

If this is already happening, please let me know how to join this activity. If you are in an Alliance, it would be a great way to recruit raw talent~

Fly safe o7





I like your idea but eve is game not real life,in real life you train in safe enviroment then go to dangerous but in eve its try after try death after death until perfection. If you like fleet warfare go to null especialy there you can find anything from 5 man fleets to 500 man fleets, "a good way to train for FC" actually good way to train fc is to give him fleet of 10 people with 8 dps t1 cruisers and 2 t1 logi cruisers and let him roam he will probably get his fleet killed few times but after some time he will get hang of it.
Also one more thing if you are looking for alliance then you can join us,your decision
Nellie Sharpe
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2015-11-18 22:03:45 UTC
Broject wrote:
I can do this.

What'd you like to do?


Pretty much just listen to a FC, pick the right gate, practice proper fleet comm. I don't mind going to nullsec or lowsec- I'm getting pretty good at being podded.

Contact me in game if you want to roam around.

Thanks!
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2015-11-18 22:41:01 UTC
If you wanted to try your hand out at a large scale fleet operation without the fighting you could try a large mining OP.

To successfully run a large mining fleet can be difficult and dangerous even in high sec. When you get a lot of mining ships in one system it tends to draw attention. Also trying to coordinate boosts and hauling ore effectively to get max yield is not easy if done right.

Then there is the whole issue of getting the ore sorted and payed out to everyone.

It could be challenging, profitable and a good learning experience.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Broject
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-11-18 23:10:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Broject
Nellie Sharpe wrote:
Broject wrote:
I can do this.

What'd you like to do?


Pretty much just listen to a FC, pick the right gate, practice proper fleet comm. I don't mind going to nullsec or lowsec- I'm getting pretty good at being podded.

Contact me in game if you want to roam around.

Thanks!

I prefer more emergent gameplay above roaming around looking for players, who could as well be NPCs.


Edit: Just noticed you were particularly looking for null/low roams.
Afaik there are public fleets for that?

People advertise at the correct, but still wrong place.
Lan Wang
African Atomic.
OnlyFleets.
#16 - 2015-11-19 00:05:57 UTC
personally id try and learn how to fly a ship solo before jumping into fleets, learning to function a ship without anyone telling you will make it easier when people tell you, if you know what i mean

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#17 - 2015-11-19 00:09:21 UTC
why bother with a dry-run?

Just get a bunch of mates together, jump in the T1 frigates of your choice and head to low or null sec.

The only way to learn PvP in EVE is to go out and PvP.

You will die. You will die A LOT. Accept that the ship you undock in is already lost and suddenly it becomes a lot more fun.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#18 - 2015-11-19 00:16:39 UTC
Telling people to align to a gate, hitting the fleet warp button then telling them to jump is easy, it doesn't actually require practice.

The things that actually matter are the ability of a fleet to form up properly, in a timely manner and in appropriate ships and then to go out and accomplish an objective against some kind of opposition. To that end fleeting up and flying around aimlessly won't actually accomplish much.

Like I said, if you're dead set on doing it in highsec you could go shoot suspects, or suspect bait yourselves. Other people in the thread suggested lowsec roaming, which is fine too but a bit more unpredictable.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#19 - 2015-11-19 01:10:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Trudeaux Margaret
You might want to look up these guys:

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/community-spotlight-open-university-of-celestial-hardships/?_ga=1.165331894.884109839.1443091655

They sound like a good fit for you, OP.

Disclaimer: I'm a former student/instructor myself.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl

Ace Lapointe
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2015-11-19 04:29:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ace Lapointe
If you want to join a fleet to learn PvP, then join the "Spectre Fleet" channel in game, we run NPSI (Not Purple Shoot It) roams through Low Sec and Null Sec, and depending on the FC running the fleet you might get different bonus's, like me, I run SRP's for my Frigates roams, and sometimes on Cruiser roams depending on numbers and the like. We have lots of fun, get some kills and die as well, but it is always fun, especially learning to be a full FC.

So I get what you asking for in the OP, but it just isn't as effective as learning hands on, like last night, I did a 5 hour roam through Low Sec, and we had 2 newer players in fleet, one was one of our Tackle ships, and the other was a DPS ship, and they did great, they listened, and I didn't get them whelped! Which is always a plus, trust me, join the channel, it is where I learnt to PvP and where I spend most of my time now. You will learn faster, plus, having a fleet with 20 regulars, and 2-5 newer players, is better for everyone, means there isn't people yelling at the FC to teach them to do things, questions get answered faster, and you learn hands on in a fun and awesome environment.

Hope to see you in Spectre!

Regards, Ace Lapointe
Duty. Member, Spectre Jr. FC
#Ace4CSM
12Next page