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1st, why would you care about what means I'm expending?

2nd, There are already in game means to obtain AUR (granted through someone else' purchase)

3rd, Since making SP requires extractors, even if the were in game items I'd have to engage in some other transaction or gameplay to get them, so the whole thing is a moot point.

4th, Even if the above reasoning didn't hold, would you be giving me anything other than isk? If you did give me cash, would that be an EULA violation?

Maybe its time to get the boat back to where it started... I would appreciate it if Plex, Bazaar, AUR and SPT would sail far far away...

I demonstrated why it's not relevant to anything I've said or refuting the claim that this is "cash for SP". I don't have to go along with situational misdirection from you. It's actually best I don't as it dilutes the point:

And the point is that as stated you, the end user aren't paying anything but isk. You, the end user cannot give me cash for SP, you cannot give CCP cash for SP (via this proposal), and you cannot give me AUR for SP.

If you want to set up impossible hypotheticals which don't actually disprove much less address what I'm actually saying I'm not interested playing along.

CCP you are a genius, you just invented pay to loose

This is probably the most accurate description presented thus far, oddly enough.

If we're excluding the initial sale of PLEX as a cash venture, which I was not since that still originates from real money, then we can take the route of isk > PLEX > AUR > Extractor.

If I can buy PLEX in game and have in not be "cash for SP" when I pay the character transfer fee on the Bazaar , why can't I convert it to AUR and have it play by the same rules?

I wasnt saying you can't but that is the $64000 question How much are they going to be seeing as you can transfer 200 plus mill with 2 plex . If theyre not going to be some piddly ass amount like 50 aurum per unit then its all about cashing in on the player base again

Ok so this is where things get conceptually complicated:

I said that since the buyer doesn't spend cash/aur it's not "cash for SP." You countered with someone has to spend cash at some point. Then we get to this:
So it's a strange issue now. With AUR you for some reason said it's explicitly cash, but PLEX isn't, despite PLEX being a source of AUR. Further when this is pointed out, we now divert to the issue being the specific pricepoint.

That feels like moving goalposts on top of possibly either ignoring or not knowing PLEX > AUR was a thing. I'm not sure the contention you have or objection to what I'm saying at this point either.

And extremes of character transfers aside most transferred characters are under 50mill SP as stated earlier in this thread by CCP. 50 AUR/Extractor is 70 TSPs/PLEX, 140 TSPs/Bazaar transfer fee, or 70,000,000 transferable for the same amount. Edit: Honestly, that's an amount that I can also agree with, meant to say so in the initial post.

If I did the math right anyways. Also I'm not sure it needs argued that every case of Bazaar transfers need to be cheaper in TSP form. Especially with the diminishing returns.

I am worried about this game, I believe there is a lot to do for CCP without doing what they try to do here.

A lot of areas of the current game need work, if you spend some time online and maybe read some sections of the forums every now and then you realize that a lot of things are broken (again).

Null sec,
Cap ships,
Battleships
Incursions
Roleplaying
Risk vs Reward
being AFK is a play style
etc.

I am sure everybody can agree with at least one thing that is broken/need fixing and the list goes on.
But what is proposed is a fundamental change of game mechanics, that to be perfectly honest don't need fixing.
If you want a char with more SK/P you can buy it - nothing wrong with it so there is a way it is even legal - why do it?

I remember when buying characters was illegal and got you permabanned - now it is a legal thing because CCP couldn't stop it in a meaningful way - same with PLEX and RMTs. Instead of punishing and enforcing the rules they make them legal - it's easier I suppose. But it sets an example on how illegal things will be dealt with - they will become a feature.

I see a deterioration of the game and the community that is sad to see, I know 'my eve' vanished long ago with the introduction of AUR and PLEX and I will never get it back. I feel like all these mechanics cheapen the game experience. EVE was unique in more ways than I can list but it becomes just another item collection, pay to compete kind of game. I ask the question here for anyone who cares to answer: What happened to you vision of EVE?

Cold, dark, harsh, competitive, long term investment, hobby, science fiction, real living breathing world, actions have consequences - these are the words that described the gaming experience - I cannot see any relation to the direction this company/game is going.

Maybe gamers left because of changes/mistakes made in the past which set EVE on the course it is now, maybe the vision of EVE changed, maybe CCP needs to do this to survive as a company. I have no idea, but I want to express my disappointment and worry about what EVE might become in the future.

This is a pointless thread.

CCP need the money, end of discussion.

All that remains is to see how CCP will implement it.