EVE General Discussion

For me the game is less about enjoyment now.

too many obstacles and hoops for people to jump through before you can actually enjoy the game.

Too many mechanics to understand, ships and their role, modules to use, but in fact a way too easy "click and watch" play style.

Lol @ "summer slump"
More like 4eva slump

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Nope, since Fallout 4 came out the Eve numbers have been down 15-20%. We hit 30k on Saturday, 31.5k on Sunday. That is 4.5k each day less than the previous 3 weeks.

To the head in sand crew, I thought Eve was "Unique"™ and nothing could compare?


To the summer slump crew, I know climate change is all the rage now, but no one could call November summer time, unless you live in Brazil.

Wait, the PC is dying again? I probably hear that since I am gaming and still I use a PC. I must be doing something wrong..

your dong nothing wrong, your just getting old.

O really?!

I got a lot more out of your post about how for the last 12 years we have had summer slumps followed by recovery in the fall and winter, except this year where the numbers keep going down and somehow its ok because you're an Aussie and the sun is shinning?!

Oh and I love that part about how I must be a "Yank" because it isn't summer where I live... as if Merika' is the only place that has the seasons of the year

For me personally - and perhaps I speak for those who want to play, try to play, but end up not playing...or just tinkering with it (subbing/unsubbing):

It has to do with lack of things to do, lack of focus, lack of point.

Before someone posts the swiftandbitter or whatever it is - I know there are things to do, but after trying a few of them you begin to see they all revolve around isk creation or shooting another player in the face. If neither appeals then interest levels waiver.

When I first started playing I was sold on the idea of exploration, so I subbed and set up my skill queue and six months later I was a fairly skilled explorer using covops. But then the crashing realisation descends: exploration is really about finding repeatable cans full of loot to be taken to Jita and sold for isk. Did that many many times - but what was the point? To provide money to buy more covops and mods (the one's that were destroyed) to again explore to find cans to sell for isk to buy more ships...repeat repeat. I then thought I'd use the can loot to build stuff and set up this indy alt - but then realised the only point was again to sell what I'd made for isk. Whatever I do I end up in an isk cycle.

So then someone pointed out to me that Eve is actually a pvp game funded by pve, and that long-term players had worked out the most lucrative ways to earn isk to support their pvp activities. But what if I'm not interested in standing on a gate for six hours waiting to shoot someone? I asked. "Then quit, because that's what Eve is."

But then I am a pve junkie so perhaps stand in contrast to those who do enjoy sitting in a stealth bomber for six hours in a wormhole.

As an aside - I wonder if there are any stats showing how many resubbed for Crimson Harvest (as I did) - if there was a biggish surge then perhaps this shows if there was more story-driven pve then subs would go up. Just a thought.

There is an old (at least 2007 or so, that's old for EVE) saying: if you are in a sandbox and bored, it's not the sand's fault.

You seem to need a more structured experience. EVE just doesn't do that, you have to make your own goals. I do pve with pvp as a side dish (if you go look up my name on zkill, you will see most of my kills and deaths are in one constellation, I mostly do home defense, I hate roam, I'll join organized ops if I have time, but that's about it, you will also see that I keep ship builders happy by whelping all the time lol).

I love trying out new ship configurations, doing things differently, making up new combat pve 'doctrines', experimenting, even finding ways to use NPCs against people who would try to kill me (knwoign what triggers what spawn, knwoing what unlocks which gate so i can bypass rooms and then watch pvp ships not tanked for PVE go boom when they scan me down, playing "Grid-Fu" in plexes sometimes).

I had the same discussion with a guy in my alliance last night on comms. He said "EVE gets boring" and talked about how he would play for a couple months, take months off, and come back. He's been playing like that for 3 years, I've benn playing for 8 altogether, very few 'breaks', and I'm still loving it. Sometimes I 'cycle' my activities (might go to high sec to run epic arcs for a week, or go into a wormhole and bum around just looking at stuff), but mostly I enjoy what I normally do.

To boil it on down, it's up to you, not CCP. CCP provides an environment (EVE), they do not provide fun, they are like a BYOB club.

Most people aren't like me and need more than that, which is why EVE is a niche game and most MMOs are themeparks. That's ok, a game that is for 'everyone' is loved by no one IMO.

Sounds to me like you're analysing your gaming time.

If you do that in any MMO you will quickly realise none of them have any real point in relation to the mechanics. At least from the customers perspective.


All you need to know about leisure time is, do you enjoy doing it and are you spending too much time on it and neglecting other things.

Spending too much time on it can cause you to question your gaming time, which can then lead to you analysing your game time and possibly even a sense of guilt if you are neglecting anything all of which can effect you and your gaming.

Very well said. I don't understand what people are talking about when they ask "what's the point" when it comes to games.

Some games can have a 'point', like if you get paid for it (hopefully not in EVE, but i hear there are games that do let you do that), or playing that game confers some other kind of out of game advantage (like what CCP talked about at EVE Vegas with the "real science mini-game"). But beyond that, ALL of it is pointless.

I know, the 'point' is different for everyone, I once had a new guy tell me EVE was 'pointless' because he didn't get that same sense of satisfaction he got in other games when you leveled up. I simply told him he was playing the wrong game if he needed that to enjoy it.