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I like the fact that you wake up every morning telling us how this will be the day to make us millions of ISK...but at the end of every day its always the same....ships broke again....

neuts (assuming nos too) turn off automatically when you are completely out of range - thats great thanks for listening ccp.

http://i.imgur.com/PLP6nJy.png
this means we won't see neut icons for tristans neuting you from 60k.


i have no clue however how the "turnoff range" is calculated

This is stupid, the whole point was having neuts and nos behave more like guns and other ewar.

The pilot should have the freedom to choose when to activate or deactivate their nos / neuts without needing CCP to implement a mechanic to nanny them. And I can think of many situations where it will be favourable to leave nos or neuts running when out of range so it is reducing the potential of options available in the sandbox.

It is a good point about the icon showing when they are out of range though, but perhaps it could be greyed out such as the case with other EWAR effects.

in my opinon they should get greater fallof to compansate effectivness loss.

1.T1 modules have -50% optimal, u cant think like replacing them T2(-20%optimal) because they use more PowerGrid.
2.T1 modules have lowered Amaunt of neutralized. For example mediums 165GJ insted 180GJ.
3.Ships with bonuses like Curses, now when u add fallof have asame range like before on optimal, but less efective.
4.For example ECM's have greater fallof than optimal
, maybe neutralizers should have skill to increase Fallof like ECM's have.
5.Most important module should disable automaticly if beyond Fallof range like now beyond optimal. U shouldnt activate it when beyond range!!!!!!!!


thx
thats my opinion

PPl forget that T1 modules Have optimal 2/3 like before!!! Mediums had 12600 now have 8000m optimal.

they are just bringing them inline with guns. You can open fire at any range if you can lock them.

IMO apart from the large variants this change is just a nerf to small and medium cap warfare.
Less effectiveness across the board. Is small/med cap warfare that OP it requires a nerf? Not IMO. Just another nail in the coffin of minnie ships that were somewhat useful with nos/neut fitted....

Just curious, is this going to effect neuting drones at all?
It just seems that if your changing the neutraliser modules (which im still not really fully sure as to the why, though i like the potential it brings battleships to neut out those annoying ceptors and slicers at 32km) It would be a good idea to fix some of the more....less useful utility drones.


I must say, im not fond of geddons (which are allready fantastically overpowered) being able to neut out sniper gangs of oracles, nados, and their logi (because geddons definately wont focus on long range logi with these changes).


As an alternative i suggest that you use signiture radius to help guide the neutralisers so that>

-Inside optimal range, the energy neutraliser can affect all ship sizes equally for the full amount
-HOWEVER, outside of optimal the neutralisers suffer from inaccuracy of falloff and due to the degrading stability of the energy stream, it becomes much harder to hit smaller ships with this stream which also causes the neutraliser to neut for less.

This Castrates the ability of the Super long range neuts against small ships allowing them to still have a place, whilst still having good effectiveness against ships their own size

Example:

Heavy Energy Neutraliser II, Scan res: 400, Optimal 24.00 KM Falloff 28.5km > Inside optimal the neuts hit for full, but outside the neut suffers from falloff, and IF the ship signiture radius is >= to the scan res, then the neut suffers no additional penalties, however if it is below, it suffers more. This also allows plays to be made against Perma MWD ships (since them having MWD on may leave them vulnerable), forcing people to learn how to pulse MWD's / neuts

As a final note, i believe that Neuts should remain on past their 0% effectiveness mark HOWEVER- i think they should have some kind of visual effect that shows that they arent performing too well. This helps train pilots into managing range and keeping an eye on modules.

I know balancing is sort of a give and take thing. But I find it sadly hilarious that CCP's reasoning for this balance pass seems to be, "Well, we're going to take some range off of your neuts. But don't worry! To balance that, we're going to give you the opportunity to embarrassingly cap yourself out in the middle of combat!"

Whoops, nvm, made a mistake.

Will this see the introduction of scrips to improve range in the future ?