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You know fine well that the $60k per month is divided between hundreds of players, a large proportion of who will have used no RL money in their character transfer having bought plex from the market. Meanwhile you are suggesting individual players will chuck in $60k every time they want to spec their char for something.

Quite how you can equate the entire eve community spending $60k worth of isk per month to sell SP with individual players paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy sp whenever they want to be perfect at something is beyond me. Your dishonesty is breathtaking.

Seeing as you don't even grasp basic math i will not even to bother dignifying this tripe with an answer.

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The PLeX has an intrinsic value that is tied to the core of the game - Time, but also an arbitrary value of money. The time value can never alter its set in stone, but the attributes of the players can all be removed so as not to hinder any player in gaining the exact same amount of skill point's in any given time period. With the introduction of the TSP its arbitrary value can alter its already inflated value and can also be manipulated directly by CCP by controlling the commodity in game. e.g.

Plex Market Price 300 million isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =75 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

Plex Market Price 1 Billion isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =250 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

Plex Market Price 2 Billion isk
( 30 days ) ÷4 = 7.5 days (500k @ optimum training ) + extractor cost ( ? ) + profit margin ( % )
1 TSP =500 million isk + extractor cost + profit margin.

The players will never control the price of the TSP only the PLeX will. All the above is based on optimum training attribs, they change dramatically when your getting lower sp values per month.

Once a character has hit the 5 mill sweet spot every week when using optimized attribs he generates 1 packet to sell, now times that by X number of characters

You wil only make the profit margin off plex'd accounts but unlimited amounts from subbed farms .... Are you under some illusion that people will be giving there skill points away at bargain bin prices or something

No, you are the one under the illusion the plex will control the price. This would be the case only if there was no pre-existing sp in the eve universe, and everybody who is now training skills was doing so for profit. It also assumes that the sp produced by the farmers (which everyone now is in your world) will always match the demand for TSPs (apparently coming from other farmers). All that you have done is calculate the values for a TSP at which point farming becomes profitable. The only difference between your "Math" and my "Maths" is that i have included an estimated cost for the extractor. As it is absolutely any sale of non-farmed SP can push price down and eat into profit margin. By your way of it no value is attached to the access to the game previous subs allowed, nor the game play benefits having those skills provided, all players will expect to get the plex value back despite having used it for game time. That is clearly nuts and not going to happen.

The account being subbed or plexed is irrelevant, it is the same value of RL money and whatever happens you could buy a plex to sell instead. The only profit the farmer will get from his farming rather than just exchanging rl cash to isk via plex is the profit margin from your equation. This profit margin is subject to supply and demand. If supply outstrips demand sp produced by non-farmers will undercut farmers doing it for profit and make farming unprofitable (or at leat make profits so low its pointless) instantly. As such farming would be impractical while there was any meaningful historical supply (one assumes there will be a huge amount of TSP dumped when the proposal becomes reality, probably making farming impossible for months if not years) coming from outside farming, and a massive risk even when such supplies were low (changes implemented by CCP to any part of the game could see players dumping SP). Given farming is competitive, profit margin would never get very high even when demand outstripped supply since it would only encourage more competition until an equilibrium was reached. Unlike other farming in eve there would be no way to remove competition (rival isk farmers can be overcome by restricting thier access to isk sources) and only undercutting on the market would be possible.

CCP can also control both supply and demand by capping how many TSP a player can consume in a month and how many TSP a player can create in a month. As such even if such limits were not in place from TSPs introduction, the fact they could implement it at any time would be a massive deterrent to farmers.

No, there are far more spammers against than for. In the last 10 pages individual posters it is 17-14 in favour of against, with a surprisingly large number not expressing an opinion either way. The majority of those pages are filled by 5 spammers who are against it while I who have posted most in favour have less than half the number of posts each of them does. It has clearly struck a nerve with the forum chattering classes (many of whom automatically attack CCP at every opportunity regardless) even if most actual players don't really care either way.

You cannot estimate whole thread based on latest 10 pages. I have read every single page since the start and I suggest you do the same if you want to get the real picture. I agree that both sides have couple of "fighters" (most of the "against" ones are actually just making noise and not really contributing to the thread, like the two mentioned in my post above). If we count only characters which expressed pro and con for the change regardless of the post count and the real contribution, it is far more of those who are against it on this topic.

By far more i mean that it is 75%-25% for those who are against it. If not even more. Regardless of that, CCP obviously does not give a sh*t about what feedback players have. They will obviously do as they intended and calculate side effects when they count canceled subscriptions and based on them estimate the numbers or those who also probably do not like it but not as much to make them quit. Yet. Though, maybe if financial situation gets better with this, maybe they wont even care about those who quit. We will see.

I think you are seeing what you want to see to be honest.

I can say the same, but I wont. Math is beautiful thing, even basic one and all the posters can be counted.

If a farm is plex'd its using in game currency to keep it going, If its being subbed the only thing your going to expend on is the extractor everything else is profit. To sub a month is $15 / £9.99 to plex is equivalent to $25 / £16.99 big difference.

So your saying that even though the plex gives a base price alone for your skill points - TSP pilots are just going to make up some random figure to sell them at ???

You reckon 1 plex to 4 extractors ..... thats going to be expensive too, so the equivalent moving of upto a 200m plus sp toon on the bazaar for 2 plex fee you can inject 8 TSP's = 4 m sp's