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Hans Inkura
Chimera Research and Development
#1 - 2015-11-11 01:30:04 UTC
I saw a thread on reddit about it and someone made the suggestion and I thought it had merit, so figured I'd toss it up here since this is the official place for ideas after all.


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We should have something like Standing Complexes for empire/pirate factions. No isk reward to keep them from being farmed. Sort of like a Prove your worth zone for whatever faction you want to go work for.

Sure it could be made interesting as well, play with some new AI, make it a perpetually spawning/escalating site to prevent it from being too easy or to be done in an afternoon. idk If there is no isk or loot, no real worry about such a thing being overly abused as long as its only faction standings and not concord as well.


I think it's a fairly decent idea. For those pilots that have terrible standings but want to move areas, this would give them some feasible way to do it and not have to grind level 1 missions for months on end. (that's just terrible game play)

If there is no reward like the op stated it's not like these can be gamed. Faction standings are good for only one thing now a days any way, mission running, well mission running and not being a free target in hostile faction space. everything else that made faction standings important has gone away or is going away.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-11-11 01:33:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
I suggest they also have the added limitation of not being doable if your standing is above -2.
This is to keep people from grinding them out to boost faction standing in easy mode.

Once you hit -1.99, you can no longer run them and must grind out the rest of the faction standing the old way.


This is high enough for you to be able to run lvl 4 missions, once you get the NPC corp standings up.
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#3 - 2015-11-11 04:19:24 UTC
I think the opposite needs to be supported.

Rather than further make faction standing and other world elements ever more meaningless, we should instead be asking to bring the environment out of 2005 and make EVE an actual, complete, game.
Hans Inkura
Chimera Research and Development
#4 - 2015-11-11 04:56:05 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
I suggest they also have the added limitation of not being doable if your standing is above -2.
This is to keep people from grinding them out to boost faction standing in easy mode.

Once you hit -1.99, you can no longer run them and must grind out the rest of the faction standing the old way.


This is high enough for you to be able to run lvl 4 missions, once you get the NPC corp standings up.


I'd say that's reasonable

Mike Voidstar wrote:
I think the opposite needs to be supported.

Rather than further make faction standing and other world elements ever more meaningless, we should instead be asking to bring the environment out of 2005 and make EVE an actual, complete, game.


missions/dungeons are a feature of almost any mmorpg i can think of

Whats your thoughts on what's considered a modern environment?
Mike Voidstar
Voidstar Free Flight Foundation
#5 - 2015-11-11 05:24:38 UTC
I don't have a problem with mission and dungeons.

However, just allowing you to run a few and ignore the fact that your faction was below horrible with them a day ago cheapens what little impact having empires has anymore.

"I know you ate all those people, Mr. Dahmer, but if you can go eat a few of my enemies we will call it square..." just does not cut it.

Expanding the detail of the factions we have, allowing us to join more than just the 4 empires in a meaningful fashion, have NPCs recognize our standing with or against them, etc...

The world of EVE was only ever half way developed in the first place, and that quickly abandoned in favor of relying on emergent gameplay to develop content. While that has been partially effective, it has limited the growth of the game as a whole. It's time to develop the game again, not just enable new and unexciting ways for toxic personalities to grief their fellow players.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2015-11-11 05:33:10 UTC
Hans Inkura wrote:
I saw a thread on reddit about it and someone made the suggestion and I thought it had merit, so figured I'd toss it up here since this is the official place for ideas after all.


Quote:
We should have something like Standing Complexes for empire/pirate factions. No isk reward to keep them from being farmed. Sort of like a Prove your worth zone for whatever faction you want to go work for.

Sure it could be made interesting as well, play with some new AI, make it a perpetually spawning/escalating site to prevent it from being too easy or to be done in an afternoon. idk If there is no isk or loot, no real worry about such a thing being overly abused as long as its only faction standings and not concord as well.


I think it's a fairly decent idea. For those pilots that have terrible standings but want to move areas, this would give them some feasible way to do it and not have to grind level 1 missions for months on end. (that's just terrible game play)

If there is no reward like the op stated it's not like these can be gamed. Faction standings are good for only one thing now a days any way, mission running, well mission running and not being a free target in hostile faction space. everything else that made faction standings important has gone away or is going away.

I'll just set this here. Enjoy.
Tragot Gomndor
Three Sword Inc
#7 - 2015-11-11 08:58:09 UTC
Highsec PVE content as a whole is completly outdated and needs a major MAJOR overhaul. And i dont mean "bring more content to farm" like more incursions or more of those strange and expensive burner things, but a overhaul of the standard level 1 to 4(5) content.
Faction standing needs a new bonus as well, currently all you can do with a high one is having a reduced tax for trading and flying more mission for that faction, which almost noone uses anyway, cuz all serious people are flying for the imbalanced SoE.

tl;dr: DONT ADD NEW, CHANGE EXISTING CONTENT.

But all that eve gets are changes for mostly nullsec only. HEY CCP, there is more then just nullsec, you know? Its NOT the pinnacle of this sandbox, its just one part of it. One part mostly dominated by one player faction.

NONONONONONO TO CAPS IN HIGHSEC NO
Xe'Cara'eos
A Big Enough Lever
#8 - 2015-11-11 13:34:38 UTC
what iffffff...... you could grind isk-less missions to regain standing?
lvl 4's to go from -10.0 to -5.0
lvl 3's to go from -5 to -3
lvl 2's to go from -3 to -1
and then you get the miniscule amount of isk from lvl 1's until you get to +0.01, at which point you can run whatever you like, as long as you have corp standings

but yes, proposal should be not usable to get standings above 0....

yes, I would like to see standings have more of an effect..... perhaps by affecting jumpclone usage (so you can't leave a jumpclone in a station, but you can still dock) and then docking rights (but you can still contract stuff), and finally assets get impounded.......

EG, standing of -3; can not use JC's in stations in 0.8 or higher, can dock in 0.8 or lower, assets impounded in stations in 1.0 space

and I suppose you could also add in asset confiscation (step beyond impounded)

I'd also like to see sec status do something similar, but that's a seperate topic.....

Less off topic - it should be possible for all empires to look upon you reasonably favourably, as long as you don't blow their navies up...... less of this - oh, you run missions for minmatar, we're gonna deny you access to amarr space..... even though you've never blown up an amarr NPC

For posting an idea into F&I: come up with idea, try and think how people could abuse this, try to fix your idea - loop the process until you can't see how it could be abused, then post to the forums to let us figure out how to abuse it..... If your idea can be abused, it [u]WILL[/u] be.
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#9 - 2015-11-11 14:05:19 UTC
Xe'Cara'eos wrote:
what iffffff...... you could grind isk-less missions to regain standing?
lvl 4's to go from -10.0 to -5.0
lvl 3's to go from -5 to -3
lvl 2's to go from -3 to -1
and then you get the miniscule amount of isk from lvl 1's until you get to +0.01, at which point you can run whatever you like, as long as you have corp standings

but yes, proposal should be not usable to get standings above 0....

yes, I would like to see standings have more of an effect..... perhaps by affecting jumpclone usage (so you can't leave a jumpclone in a station, but you can still dock) and then docking rights (but you can still contract stuff), and finally assets get impounded.......

EG, standing of -3; can not use JC's in stations in 0.8 or higher, can dock in 0.8 or lower, assets impounded in stations in 1.0 space

and I suppose you could also add in asset confiscation (step beyond impounded)

I'd also like to see sec status do something similar, but that's a seperate topic.....

Less off topic - it should be possible for all empires to look upon you reasonably favourably, as long as you don't blow their navies up...... less of this - oh, you run missions for minmatar, we're gonna deny you access to amarr space..... even though you've never blown up an amarr NPC




standings use to affect where you could anchor towers in high sec and where you where allowed to install a jump clone.
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#10 - 2015-11-12 14:30:19 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
I suggest they also have the added limitation of not being doable if your standing is above -2.
This is to keep people from grinding them out to boost faction standing in easy mode.

Once you hit -1.99, you can no longer run them and must grind out the rest of the faction standing the old way.

No way in hell, this is just another whaa it is to hard to recover negative standings line of crap.
All current systems in game that allow for increasing standings can be used by all players regardless of their current standings and all new systems or any rework of the current systems MUST be available to ALL players no matter what their standings level.

Back to the OP.
As others have stated standings have very little impact in this game anymore so why have CCP waste time patching a broken system? Much better for CCP to ignore the current and spend time working on removing it completely or overhauling it in some way so standings actually mean something.