Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The game's current progression mechanic is nothing other than a glorified automated cookie clicker.

You don't even have to click the cookies yourself to go to the next level. You don't even have to have the program open, it just all happens in the background with zero interaction required.

Imagination? lol, yea your vision is sooooo superior

Analogy is complicated stuff. He pointing out that SP must be earned by in-game actions at least partly.

It's popular method of argueing not only among those who favor this idea.

Anyway wise man said

Just cap it at 20m sp on the receiving end. Very active new players will be able to boost their training via isk and the vets won't get pissed. Fixed.

While we are waiting for the answer, which at this rate will be never, could you not:

1. Allow monthly remaps
2. Allow Attribute implants to be unplugged and replugged in.

Modules and ships can be swapped at will in station, why do I have to jump clone to do this with Attribute implants?
They would still be an item you can lose, but the choice between popping them out to PVP for an hour or two then popping them back in when you have finished seems more logical.

Does not fix the problem, but makes it so much more usable in the interim

I'm not particularly in love in the attribute system for training, but if you want to keep it around for other things (like not having to rework the implant system) I propose the following:

1. At any time a character can choose a target map e.g. 27/17/21/17/17 or if you want +10/0/+4/0/0
2. At downtime each day every skill that is below the target map increases by one point and takes that point from the skill most above the target map.

This way there's still some game play around optimizing your map in the short term and you pay a cost for remapping, but you're not stuck and penalized for not being able to predict a year into the future. You end up being outside of your target map for at most 10 days and I suspect that you'll find that average time to map convergence is close to that number as well.

I've had a long think about this over the past couple of months, talking to newer players, older players, looking at the current situation with gameplay and content in the game etc.

Whilst I was initially against the idea of being able to "buy" SP to create customized characters, I have since changed my mind. Anything that can make it easier for new blood to get into the game, without dumbing down the actual game itself, is good in my opinion. I've been playing for over a decade in total and I know that buying SP will not make someone dangerous or good at the game. It will simply allow them to have more freedom in what they can potentially do.

The issues with the game right now are the utterly broken links system, broken and overpowered ships *coughorthrusgarmurcough*, and (from my decade long perspective) a shrinking userbase. So if we can fix links, bring ships back into line with each other, and introduce and retain new blood into the game, I say do whatever it takes to achieve that. Adding the ability to buy SP from other toons won't break the game, but it may help get newer players into the game and retain them, and that can only be a good thing in the long run.

Some Ideas:

You can buy a SP Reallocation token for AUR or ISK, the number of tokens you can own and buy is of course unlimited but you can't activate more than - lets say three - on one Account and not more than two on one Character, even if it has been sold/switched Accounts, it keeps its remap counter, all the time.

To activate the token, you have to be docked, in a capsule and paused your skill training.
After activating a token your Character will be reset to the ones that are basic now for every new charcter and a "skillpoint reallocation menu" (like resculpt but different UI) opens, the Character then enters a "locked state" you can only end by aborting the remap process (you will get the activated token refunded) or by spending every single one of your unallocated Skillpoints.

You get all your skillpoints as unallocated, now you can freely remap all your SP with a drop down menu:
1. Add/Remove Skillpoints - You add/remove a specified number of SP to that skill
2. Increase/Decrease to next Level - sets the level one up or down.
3. Increase/Decrease to Level - you check a checkbox from 0 to 5 and the Skill will be trained to that level
4. Increase to Level 5/Decrease to 0 - it does exactly what it says
If you are done you have to veryfiy your decision with a button, before you push that button, you can freely remove any skillpoints and add them somwehre else. After that, your character leaves the "locked state" and you can start with your normal EVE gameplay again. (notes/ideas to finalizing process of the reallocation below)


User Interface and other functions possible: (?)

- The UI shows the number of SP needed for the next level and for level 5 right next to the skill so you can do some calculations (Example how it might look, such wow)


- If avaliable, you can import a skill-plan in the EVEMon-dataformat that offers a preview of what you can train immediately and what is out of reach by the priorities set by you in the plan in EVEMon, you can then adjust which skills to kick out and which to add based on your plan your choice, accept the plan and get it trained, the rest of the SP can then added freely

- Implemented in the "Reallocation Menu" could be a slim version of ISIS, you then click a ship and it shows you the Mastery, then you can either choose "Skill all to Mastery Level x" or choose all the skills by hand and raise them with the aforementioned "drop down menu"

- Alternatively or in addition to ISIS there could be an Item browser where you could add the skill to use any Item you want (bubbles, towers, certain modules, rigs and more)

- If the reallocation is done, there could go up a Skill list where you see all of your current skills in comparison to before, skill which are new or altered are highlighted Green, skills which have been decreased are yellow, and skills which have been "set to 0" are red while skill which stayed the same will not be highlighted. After checking that list you have to confirm it to end the reallocation process.


i hope that makes sense to you, i'd really like to read comments

btw...I think buying/selling SP is a terribad idea, even if its nerfed down, so High SP players wouldng get much out of it

There's been so many changes while I was away that it'll literally take months to sort through everything new and proposed. Few things I've read have stopped me in my tracks though. I genuinely hope this isn't a real change being implemented in-game. EVE is about choices that have consequences and learning to adapt from those choices. Purchasing SP is PTW and imo, it would seem to run counter to everything I know and believe this game is. Even shifting SP from one skill to another is a bad idea.

One of my long-term goals in EVE has been to fly a Damnation. I'm not even really sure why. I like the hull. The reason doesn't matter. Because of some lengthy lvl 5 leadership skills and a raft of missile skills I didn't have (because as an Amarr pilot, I focused on beams primarily) and because skill training gets sidetracked every time I have a new idea, this long-term goal has yet to be realized. But it has been a goal for years and has driven my game. The idea that I could just drop a few $$ and attain that goal... one that I've had for years.... instantly... is stupefying.

If this change is implemented, we should just allow players to change races, character names, implants, everything. Let them erase their contract history, employment history, on and on. Sell each change for more PLEX.

When consequences have little meaning: if one change is good, another would be even better.

It's a slippery slope.

YK

I don't care for buying skill points BUT!!
I could definitely use a remap because my skills are all over the place..
Hazard of training for what I needed at the time over the years..