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[December] Discovering a New Expedition Frigate

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Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#241 - 2015-11-08 22:27:52 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:



show me how much the price of gas tanked with the release of the gas mining frig,


Why would you want me to do that?

If I'm wrong then it supports my point that the introduction of a faster mining ship wouldn't affect the market and if i'm right, it supports my argument for an easier to catch gas mining ship to be added. Blink



cause it hasn't the cheap fast mining frig didn't destroy gas values. Even though it mines faster than the stardard bc that was used before.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#242 - 2015-11-08 23:49:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Greate! So based on that, the argument that a faster gas mining ship would drive the price down is unfounded and thus, there is no reason to not introduce a faster gas mining ship.

I'm not complaining, I am simply saying that there should be a progression in the gas mining class, just like there already is within the ore and ice mining class.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#243 - 2015-11-09 01:12:52 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Greate! So based on that, the argument that a faster gas mining ship would drive the price down is unfounded and thus, there is no reason to not introduce a faster gas mining ship.

I'm not complaining, I am simply saying that there should be a progression in the gas mining class, just like there already is within the ore and ice mining class.



there is progression already.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#244 - 2015-11-09 06:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Not in the same way there is with mining barges and pretty much every other class of ship in the game.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Bla5to Frigate
iHaul Industries
#245 - 2015-11-09 15:24:58 UTC
Just visit a c13 shattered wormhole ice field..... You will be convinced that this ship needs to exist! (at least in my opinion)

They really are a site to see....

I'm amped for the possibilities as a wormholer, just to harvest ice in dangerous space is what drives me. I like the risk, keeps me excited. Skilling up for ice 5 now in preparation.

But, the haters gonna hate....

I can't wait for the expedition frigate boosting ship to come out next! Cause, why not be able to boost these little guys......Idea
Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#246 - 2015-11-10 03:25:15 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:

Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret


I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted.

CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted?
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#247 - 2015-11-10 04:15:08 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Not in the same way there is with mining barges and pretty much every other class of ship in the game.



exploration
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#248 - 2015-11-12 08:21:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Lady Rift wrote:


exploration



You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak!

The venture is not part of exploration path.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Mr Grape Drink
Doomheim
#249 - 2015-11-12 13:37:22 UTC
The Foz said numbers for all these new ships were probably going to be out last week. We're almost through this next week :( Any news on when they will be coming so I don't have to sit here staring for a dev blog for another week? :D
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2015-11-12 19:59:43 UTC
[Insert reply in this box with a transponder rather than an EMP device...]


And it is not a Covert Ship.

Why do I know, I had to BR jump a Mining Barge only to see it blowed up.?
It is even worst to try in Wormhole.

Let's see how this works...


I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far.
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#251 - 2015-11-13 14:51:50 UTC
Shadowforge Dawkins wrote:
Franklin en Chalune wrote:

There are ice harvester upgrades, which I assume will affect the new ice mining lasers as well as the regular ice harvesters, due to the mining laser upgrades affecting both strip miners and regular mining lasers.

There are not ones for gas harvesters though, you're right on that front


thanks for filling the void for me. hopefully they add some upgrades for gas harvesting. we have 4 low slots on prospects and having something useful for them would be great when it comes to gas

Edit; if a dev or someone could let us know if there will ever be gas harvesting upgrades, would be great thanks.


We could certainly make gas harvester upgrades. At the moment there are no plans to, but it seems like an interesting idea.
As for the ice harvester upgrades, they should work with the new Ice Mining Lasers yes.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#252 - 2015-11-13 15:04:53 UTC
Gadolf Agalder wrote:


I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far.


You must be doing something wrong.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#253 - 2015-11-13 15:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Penance Toralen wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret


I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted.

CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted?


The Endurance is designed to be shield tanked.

  • It has more mid slots at 4
  • It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
  • It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates


Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#254 - 2015-11-13 15:17:14 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Penance Toralen wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:

Slot layout: 3 H, 4 M, 3 L, 1 Turret


I am curious to know why there are 4 M and 3 L on a armour tank hull? I would assume it is to limit the upgrades which can in fitted.

CCP Terminus would you please share how you would typically see this ship would be fitted?


The Endurance is designed to be shield tanked.

  • It has more mid slots at 4
  • It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
  • It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates


Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.


1100 is quite a lot of HP for a mining frig especially one with T2 resists and resist bonus don't you think?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#255 - 2015-11-13 15:42:33 UTC
Orge Snorrsen wrote:
Quote:
Standard ore mining in a Endurance will be about as fast as a Venture due to the 200% role bonus to mining yield, but will be slower than a Prospect.


Did i do the wrong maths myself, or is there something else faulty happening?

Using a Miner II will grant 60m³/min in a rookie ship for example, so 120m³/min fitted in the Venture due to the 100% Role Bonus
With 2 Mining Turrets the Venture can harvest around 240m³/min.

The Endurance although will still get a 180m³/min yield due to the 1 miner and 200% bonus.
Correctly a 300% would be needed, considering the same mining frigate skill bonus between venture/endurance


You are correct, good catch. I'll change it to 300%. There is also the mining frigate bonus, but for consistency I'll leave it as is. So the Endurance will be slightly slower at mining regular ore.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
CCP Terminus
C C P
C C P Alliance
#256 - 2015-11-13 16:14:50 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Terminus
Harvey James wrote:
1100 is quite a lot of HP for a mining frig especially one with T2 resists and resist bonus don't you think?
It has the same EHP (without the resist bonuses) as the Prospect, just focused more in shields. It's also less stealthy than a Prospect. If we find the Endurance is being primarily used as a combat ship we'll take appropriate actions.

@CCP_Terminus // Game Designer // Team Size Matters
Lady Rift
His Majesty's Privateers
#257 - 2015-11-13 16:48:26 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:


exploration



You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak!

The venture is not part of exploration path.



exploration ships have no advancement path like you claim gas mining doesn't.
Gadolf Agalder
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#258 - 2015-11-13 20:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gadolf Agalder
FT Diomedes wrote:
Gadolf Agalder wrote:


I never made profit on Ice yet and all jump fuel (or other fuel) always was more profitable to buy from traders, so far.


You must be doing something wrong.

Do you mean it's wrong that I make a profit from buying from other traders?
Seems you prefer that I do something wrong to cover for you or something...

As for the mining yields calculations and so on, I would have to verify the actual mining device .
There was no Ice Mining Laser without the Strip Mining Device before.
And the rest of the calculations as well.
That will still be done after btw.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2015-11-13 21:20:26 UTC
Lady Rift wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
Lady Rift wrote:


exploration



You're just going to throw that out their apropos of nothing? Weak!

The venture is not part of exploration path.



exploration ships have no advancement path like you claim gas mining doesn't.


T1 exploration frigs > t2 exploration frigs > SOE ships > t3 exploration setup

Stop talking about things you know nothing about

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Penance Toralen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#260 - 2015-11-13 21:41:02 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:


  • It has more mid slots at 4
  • It has more shield than armour (1100 to 400)
  • It has a 4% bonus to all shield resistances per level of Expedition frigates


Mining ships in general are almost all shield tanked. If there's a specific reason why you think it's designed to be armour tanked please let me know.


Sorry, Terminus. I am used to the slot layout of the Prospect - and armor tank that. Thanks for the feedback.

CCP Terminus wrote:
We could certainly make gas harvester upgrades. At the moment there are no plans to, but it seems like an interesting idea.
As for the ice harvester upgrades, they should work with the new Ice Mining Lasers yes.


What about ORE versions of the Upgrades?