Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've seen people complaining that MJDs have only an effective warp strength of 1, and aren't improved by Warp Stabs. Well neither are MWDs, and they have a warp strength of 1 as well (both can be stopped by a scrambler).

The answer has always been that these are separate systems. Well... what are rigs for? Rigging stuff together!

I think there should be a rig that does one of 3 things -- and these 3 suggestions are arranged in descending order of OP'ness.


Rosen Field Optimizer I
-- Gives MWDs and/or MJDs the strength of the ship's Warp Core.
-- Way too OP
-- if they wanted it that way, I'm guessing this rig would already exist.

Rosen Field Optimizer I / II
-- Gives MWDs and/or MJDs +1 or +2 Warp Core Strength, a straight bonus
-- still somewhat OP
-- I'm guessing if they'd considered the first, they'd have considered this too.

Rosen Field Entangler I / II
-- Reduces total warp core strength to improve MJD and MWD warp core strength
-- Follows rig tradeoff scheme.
-- Perhaps tech 1 is a 1 for 1 trade, and tech 2 gives you 2 for 1, or for an even worse tradeoff, perhaps Tech 1 costs 2 warp core strength per +1 MWD/MJD strength, and Tech 2 only costs 1 warp core strength per +1 MWD/MJD Strength.

Possible additional tradeoff, reduces MWD speed and MJD distance.

This.

It is a simple binary on/off deal that is completely independent of a ships normal warp function.

A MJD/MWD is either Warp Scrambled or it isn't. They don't have any inherrent strength of their own.
Moreover, warp strength does not actually matter when it comes to shutting down prop mods.

example: I can apply 10 warp disruptors to any ship... and it will still be able to use a MWD/MJD.
If I apply a civilian warp scrambler (with a strength of 1) to a battleship with 7 warp core stabs... no MWD/MJD will work.

There is no civilian scram, only a civilian disrupt. (It also doesn't disrupt warp drives at all)

**EFFECTIVELY**, MJDs have 1 warp core strength. Because a disruptor won't work on them. However, 2 disruptors won't work on their either, so if you're so keen on exacting accuracy, -- pff, whatever.

They don't receive WCS bonuses from stabs.

Could we focus on the issue here please?

See original post.

Ah, now that's an interesting point. HIC infini-point doesn't affect them, in the same way bubbles don't affect them.

This indicates to me that if you were to use a rig to switch between warpdrive/MWD mechanics, that you'd give up the usefulness of those modules while inside bubbles (or with HICs). This would defeat the purpose.

It also tells me that CCP has given this significant thought, and decided that a counter to the counter would actually be a counter of a counter of a counter.

In other words, the weapon in play here is battlefield movement. The counter is interdiction AND/OR tackle. The counter-counter-measure is already MWD/MJD/avoidance. By that token, it would be ridiculous to introduce a counter-counter-counter-measure.

Sounds good.