Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You would have a point here if there was a way to actually kill people in Eve. Personally, my conscience would perfectly clear after "killing" someone who I know is going to literally come back to life in another body. Especially since it's perpetual. The only way that a capsuleer will ever NOT transfer consciousness is if the player chooses to delete the character. Also, in real life, the conditions that you proposed don't rob the individual of personal choice. Paranoia and rage don't make you physically lose control of your body. You have to allow yourself to feed into your own emotions and make the choice to attack someone. And the same goes for depression. Depression in real life can make it difficult to focus on learning new material, but it isn't some mechanic that you have no control over. You have the choice to fight your own depression and make yourself focus on learning.

I swear, if you tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about because I haven't experienced it....

I appreciate your criticisms, but we have to remember that the point of taking away control from a player mimics how a real person may behave. It's easy to sit around shooting down ships with a group camping outside the gate, but it can be unfair to other players. (and yes I'm aware of the golden rule), this would give consequences to players who otherwise don't have them. And just because closes exist in game doesn't mean that lives are worthless. It would give pause to groups like gate-campers, raiding fleets, or individuals who prey on those trying to make an honest living, because they know that one of their own could betray them without even meaning too. There should be a price to that kind of behavior, you can't make the players behave, so it must be done through the in game mechanics. It would add a human element to the game that is missing since the players are able to hide behind their digital mask.

So we're all cybernetically enhanced super-pilots (not the Titan kind of super-pilot) who can control an entire ship purely by thought, manage multiple targets, and have superb multitasking skills in general...but we can't keep our s**t together after killing a few people who didn't even actually die? You're basically asking for a mechanic that punishes players by making them "feel guilty", if you will, simply for destroying a ship. Because the idea that you "killed" someone is incorrect and irrelevant. Again, there is literally only one way to ACTUALLY kill a character, and that is to delete it, which has to be done by the player who paid to have that character in the first place. This is what I suggest for you. Create a character on one of your empty character slots (if you have any), and then send that character to the biomass re-processor (or whatever they call it). You might find it oddly therapeutic. Sadly, there is no animation for it. But the IS a really cool and gruesome sound effect for it.

Well, welcome to Eve Online, friend. Where "because people allow it to be" is pretty much why everything is the way it is. We are free to act as we chose and changes are made to the game based on what the majority of players want. There are already mechanics that punish illegal engagements. It's called Crime Watch, and people have been crying for quite some time about how it's not enough and punishments need to be harsher. To those people, I say only this: go get yourself a nice -10 sec status and try flying around like that for a month. Then go either grind your sec back up by ratting or buy those nifty dog tags on the market and turn them in at a CONCORD or DED station. Then come back here and talk about how the punishments aren't harsh enough. I hope you don't visit Jita often, or any of the trade hubs at that.

It's not that punishments aren't harsh enough, it's that players who gank for a living in Eve thoroughly enjoy what they do and are smart enough to find ways to mediate the consequences. Now you want to punish them for being smart? I think that gankers add depth to the game. They prevent hi-sec from being the one place where you can run to be safe from non-legal enemies.

FT, these are just simple ideas of what could be, not what must be. I'm only talking about putting something which exists in reality, into the game. People wont check themselves because they don't have to. People check themselves in reality because there is weight behind their decisions, what I propose would add something to the game, a new dynamic. It would make people question play-styles, but not so much that it would revolutionize the game. That player who just floats around low sec killing tradesmen because he can, might have pause knowing that the next helpless person he murders could cause his pilot to self destruct. As I've said throughout, capsuleers are people, no matter what enhancements they have, what makes people people is their humanity, the conscious, their soul. We've removed that from the game through the blatant allowance of unchecked aggression towards other humans. People think it's funny to see someone else's shiny ship destroyed, because they didn't work for it. But in reality, people have myriad complex feelings on the subjects of killing, larceny, and vandalism. I'm not talking about criminal punishments, but guilt, players wont feel it, but if capsuleers are humans, they will.

I don't want my game to be morally sound, I want it to be fun. I certainly don't want the consequences of my actions to be random variables based on something as controversial and questionable as the existence of a soul. As far as consciousness goes, whenever a capsuleer "dies", that capsuleer's consciousness is transferred to another body. So again, capsuleers never really "die" unless a real human makes it so.

But I'll tell you what. I'll level with you here. If you agree to let me delete other characters, then I'll agree to let you cause me to explode randomly for no specific reason. That sounds reasonable.

All of your D&D fantasies in this thread have no relation to the real conditions. What is more, all of your states exist and ways of coping and getting help with them:

The paranoid: fly's covert cloaky non bling ships with empty cargo holds, checks gates from safe spots

The rage: lowsec, nullsec choke points, for those looking to get enraged and local, corp, or alliance chat for venting

Depression: not a joke, Broadcast for Reps. don't feel alone, you're not.

Add one for you, Mania: alts, industry and markets, other planning fantasy stuff.

Tl;Dr unsupported

Wait I do kill ships every now and then but I don't kill people. hmm well not real ones anyways.

If you a really picky, we are Cylons and whenever we die, we wake up in our next available resurrection hub and do it all over again.

Lol, wow, okay. This troll is... Interesting...

I hope you realize that most gate campers do it for fun, not profit. This idea would completely ruin their fun because... You don't like dieing? Well, welcome to Eve, glad you finally tried lowsec.

Aurtis Sareen, I'm with you in spirit, but this isn't the way.

You are correct that the penalty for repeated criminal behavior should be much harsher than it is. I like to call it non-consensual PvE. Even Low-Sec still supposedly has some government oversite, control and protections. You might not get chased out into empty space by the authorities, but a known mass murderer would not be permitted to just linger on a gate, station or other monitored location. Eventually a serious warfleet would show up to deal with a known menace.

At the very least, clone services for such individuals would be rescinded--- which would be a great excuse for there to be pirate owned space, pirate owned stations, and those with sufficiently low security status would have to maintain relations with those criminal organizations (in essence turning that pirate space into high-sec for pirate players) through missions, gifts of harvested raw materials, ect... Thus giving civic minded players a place to go and hunt criminal players, stealing their mission objects (recovering stolen property), popping their miners and otherwise ruining their pve endeavors. You know, actually driving some conflict.

They have not done any of that because they gave up on developing EVE as a world to live in years ago, instead relying on emergent gameplay to create content. Push for changes that puts the pirates in the same position as their victims so that they can actually experience repercussions of their actions.

EVE is supposed to be a dystopia, but no one should have to pay a subscription fee to be part of the downtrodden masses of that dystopia.