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Well ok, if the skills are already ingame and can be skilled i´m a bit misguided then and need to rethink all that.
The devblog stating:



lead me to assumption that new skills will be introduced into the game - as it is written like it points to something to come in the future. Also ccps statement the new possibility to reallocate skillpoints is essential for the new content to come must have blinded me for the facts. But if you have already skilled them I´m obviously wrong on that :)

Must have been a mistake to read through the threads and the discussions about skills that become unneccessary, and new ones that have to be learned when the new content arrives. The creation of a new capital for logistics and the deletion of this abillity from all other caps.

New ships / shipclasses also coming in winter / spring ...

This problem in perception i have may also apply for the new citadels and it´s new modules, weapons, a.s.o.
I don´t know why, but i´m awaiting the introduction of new skills to operate them, too.
As ccp said they don´t want to use the existing ship mods for citadels (this would a pain to balance), this would also make sense to recreate involved skills.

EDIT: as i´m not ingame atm i have taken a closer look at evemon. Sadly i havent found the new skills for t2 cap guns. only Capital Energy Turret / Capital Hybrid Turret / Capital Projectile Turret.
May you be so kind to link me to this already existing skills, so i can take a closer look at them to inform myself a bit more about this? I´m not a cap pilot myself.

thx for your patience and help

Devblog says there will be new Meta, t2, faction modules AND skills for the t2 ones. Doesn´t this mean that these new modules and skills are not ingame already?

I´m searching through the related discussion threads a bit - just give me a moment

Ok, no reliable information released, yet.
people posting about skills in the cap change thread are writing about the skills unneccessary thanks to

- no more drones on caps
- no more effective logi / triage on caps expect the new aux caps
- new skills lvl 5 for new guns?

but also

- fighters / bombers will be rearranged into light / med / heavy squads - new skills like light / med / heavy drones? the current two fighter / fighterbomber skills make sense anymore? (no info available)
- new aux caps use existent racial ship skills? (no info available)

Yes, thx... I guess it´s better to be silent on this until more information is released.
Maybe a ccp dev or someone who definetly knows about the details likes to respond on the question of possible new skills regarding the cap and citadel changes?

Besides, if there are no new skills introduced, no changes in required skills to do xyz, i´m asking myself how ccps statement that sp trading would be essential for ne new content fits into this? Guess we´ll find out :D

I have removed some troll replies and those quoting them.

They were my posts

I hate to say it, but the biggest troll in this thread is by far CCP that posts a dev-blog like this, then doesnt reply to a single one of the concerned replys in here.
(starting to think you might have given them a forumban due to making your workload 10x worse )

I'm still very new to the game but even I am iffy on this. Pay to win takes away all the sense of accomplishment you get from patiently waiting that 30 day skill to finish. I'm said before, it might be cool if the more you used something in a given skill tree, the higher multiplier you got on that skill. ( ie. the more time you spend in a caldari battleship while training caldari battleship, the faster it trains. it stands to reason that you would get better at something the more you did it from a strictly role playing viewpoint. Maybe cap the total reduction it overall skill training time to 25-30% so youre still waiting a good 3 weeks on a 30 days skill.) I think that would be a better way to help new players and vets alike on top of implant bonuses. that way people who can not afford a set of +5 snake implants can still speed up their skill training while learning how to use their hulls efectivly. Thoughts?? This is my first post so go easy lol!

I can't speak for the past twelve years as personally I hate using the forums but I have been actively watching them and participated since incarna. I'll just list several major occasions that come to mind where we gave constructive feedback BEFORE the changes happened, and they ignored us.

New inventory UI
Latest probing mechanics
Loot spew
Bounty mechanics
Aggression safety mechanics
Aegis/Fozzie Sov
New industry system (although they did address many of the issues and only left some to hang and dry)

That's just a few I can think of right now. If I really thought hard I could list dozens. If you read the thread you'll see plenty of valid points and constructive feedback even if it's soaked in some bitter tears. And personally I think that bitterness had accumulated over the years as a result of CCP attitude.

This is a really bad idea because it starts to gnaw at a very basic concept within EVE: Choices have consequences.


The choices one makes in regards to character name, attribute remaps and skill training are perpetuated when/if that character gets sold but with this idea you just gobble up the pure SP, from any character and any skills, and distribute it as you please. So while one could say that "it's the same thing" it really isn't, it really really really isn't. Any attempt to try and construe that it somehow is must be a result of a lack of understanding of the rather important differences. That or an unwillingness, of course.

It's a first step towards Pay2Win, while this system itself is already borderline Pay2Win it really is a Pandora's box: once you've opened it you've sold your soul as it will pave the way for more/actual Pay2Win. First of all because the mechanics are now in place you might as well use it for other new and related things resulting in more Pay2Win down the line. More importantly: it's a lure, people get used to the idea and thus will be more susceptible to stronger forms of Pay2Win once they're used to this, it'll also bring in more/new players who agree to the whole Pay2Win concept which will in time create a bigger demand as well.

It will not help new players because the conversion cost is rather fierce nor will it help normal players for that same reason. It'll only help wealthy individuals and entities who have the (in game) buying power to help and bolster their ranks and alts.This is not in the interest of the game, at all.

coming out with a concept that is against everything at the core of EVE concepts because they are strapped for cash.


CCP embracing all these writers and historians that glorify what EVE was and should be but at the same time making fozzie sov basically killing it.

I really think CCP is confused as hell as t what they want to do, they already watched their player base drop from 70K-90K average on the servers two years ago to 15k-20k average on the servers now.

Here is a hint.

STOP alienating your customer base then waking up in an empty bed and scrambling to reach out to newer players that neither have the time nor love invested into the game as the older players do.

The only way, someone will be loyal to this game, is if they are emotionally attached to their characters, and the stories they are living with them. That is not something you can just inject to the new player base. And no amount of tutorials or opportunity maps will give this to the new players.

The buy SP is so short sighted imo that as soon as a new player realizes that more SP=/=a sure win in pvp him and his monthly subscription will evaporate faster than your one month old player losing officer fit caldari navy ravens off the jita undock. And I am sure CCP knows how long those visa warriors stick around and play eve.

P.S.

All the people that say this is a great concept.....
/me whispers......they haven't paid a dime to CCP in years. And fully embrace a new way for them not to.