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Long term subbing is Eve's bread and butter. Seems absolutely foolish to endanger that.

But I like the idea of being able to recycle old characters who didn't work out. Instead of letting us sell the SP to another player, they should allow us to do something else with the SP.

Maybe create implants out of it? Maybe termporary implants that run out after a while but confer a greater than +5 bonus to an attribute?

So instead of buying 500k sp off a player, I could buy an implant that gives them a +10 boost to some attribute for 30 days (or whatever adds up to giving 500k sp when that is the dominant attribute for a skill.)



I'm not fond of being able to buy SP. But would love to be able to sell them!!

You are only thinking about yourself. And yes I would call it so, for the buyer.

What would you think of selling SP, but not being able to buy them?

Suppose you could trade SP to create something totally not-SP related, like a module for a ship? I don't mean sell and then buy the module. I mean like use the SP to manufacture something.

My bad. My point is those who paying with rl cash also make effort to earn money. It's beneficial for CCP and players who buying PLEX with isk because they cannot or will not to do it with rl money.

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We have no community spirit, CCP sold it.

You're wasting your time trying to debate with that teenage troll.

Have a nice time man



I grinded on plex and I know that plex was payed by someone else. Maybe he's poor, maybe rich. I don't really know but I hope he get some fun with my isks.

SP is achieved in EVE by waiting while being subscribed to the game. There is precisely and exactly zero achievement attached to SP in EVE, as such. You can skill to perfection in EVE without ever doing anything other than: selling one PLEX to get money, buying all skill books, and then just endlessly adding skill queue entries. In fact, you don't even have to know what any of these skills mean or do. That would help you to shorten wait time for some purpose or the other. But if you are prepared to just sub for a decade, you might as well wait and skill at random. It does not matter.

It is of course an achievement if you can grind enough ISK to pay for your subscription. But that enables your game play generally, it is not specific to SP. It is also perhaps some achievement to arrange your skill training ideally for your purposes. But that's more an achievement in dealing with adversity brought about by the skill system. And frankly, for most players that is fairly irrelevant. The beginners now get a pre-designed package that deals with the basics, for a few months thereafter they will certainly get by simply by checking certificates, mastery levels and requirements for fitting - all info the game readily supplies - and then many people will end up using skill plans designed by others, by their corp or found on the net. I guess some corp theorists will have a sense of achievement in figuring out the minimal training path from newbie to suicide ganker or such. But that sort of meta-gaming is certainly not what most EVE players spend their time with.

What SP is in EVE is a lock-out system, that hides game content from players who have not subscribed long enough. It is basically "pay to get content". Certain things you cannot do unless you have the right kind of ship with the right kind of fit. And to get those you need the right skills, which you get by subscribing for long enough. That's all it really is. Notably this lock-out system so far was more or less linear, since wait time more or less directly translated into SP (with some mild modifiers through implants etc.). What CCP is doing now is quite simply to extend nonlinearly the very same principle of "pay to get content" which is currently in effect. Simply put, you will be able to pay more (or grind more) to get past the content lock-out more quickly. Thank God, for the linear system truly is a major pain in the ass for anybody starting with EVE!

And the reason why people complain so bitterly about all this is largely because the lock-out system has generated an artificial hierarchy of haves and have-nots. Artificial because this is not necessarily a hierarchy of true skill at all, it is simply one of SP and lock-outs. No matter how good or bad a player somebody might be, if they have subscribed for many years they can do almost anything in EVE (at least they can fail at it). No matter how good or bad a younger player might be, they cannot. It is basically a kind of "time aristocracy". And CCP has just announced that the rich (or grindy) will be able to buy their way into this artificial "time aristocracy". Guess who is complaining endlessly about that...

Somewhere in this massive thread a Dev suggested that perhaps a distinction could be made between "natural" SP (i.e., essentially the equivalent to real subscription time) and "artificial" SP (i.e., nonlinear accelerated or added). A distinction with no direct effect on game play, but visible to all. I think this is the best way forward. It allows veterans to keep whatever pride and status they wish to attach to having paid and played for a long time. And it allows the rich or dedicated grinders to breeze past the lock-outs to the game content they actually want.

"Oh, but you should not be able to access the game content you want that easily!" Why not? "I have suffered, so you must suffer too" is not a valid answer to that. "But you will miss all the best parts of the gaming experience, the blissful release after endless waiting!" Tell you what, if you are hooked on some sort of "Waiting for Godot" masochism, good on you. Totally, enjoy it. Wait a little longer for ... whatever is next. But how about letting me be the judge of how I would like to enjoy EVE? And how about not screaming in rage at CCP simply for taking my money for that? It's what business do...

How about people gamble for SP. Small/Medium wagers for big rewards like cutting down that level 5 in half. Maybe with that new science program.