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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5181 - 2015-10-30 13:38:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Levi Belvar
Dror wrote:
Jadon Wallace wrote:
Zerg Xander wrote:
I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.

I think this could actually draw new players


Interesting reply, I would like to know what you mean by being 'viable in PVP' and never being able 'to compete with a 5 year character'. SP is important but I feel it's a strong psychological factor rather than a barrier to entry in most cases, for example for a new character it's easy to get into a e-war frigate or even a electronic attack ship, both of which are very valuable and incredibly annoying on the field. Frigates in general are easy low entry and really newbies should start from the bottom and work there way up in competence, goes hand in hand with the time it takes to train to the next thing as well, it's not I can fly a Battleship therefore nothing under that can compete or kill me, EVE is a game of rock, paper, shotgun. People won't play fair, learn, play smart and work your way to where you want to be.

The game should seem absolutely enthralling before a character has to train T2 ammo. T1 fitting is vastly outplayed though, for the already tiny target selection of T1 frigates.

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Zerg Xander wrote:
I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.

I think this could actually draw new players


How many skill points do you feel you need in order to be good at pvp?

You should know that a skilled player flying a 'lesser' ship than yours with better general knowledge of pvp will still beat you.

On that note, it'd be interesting to watch a T1 ammo twink vs. a newbie that has a decent clue how to play (and has better skills obviously). I'd bet on the newbie for every class of ship probably.

Your back with some more clueless ramblings, A twink is a character that has items that are far superior for its level of intended use, best enchantments armour weapons, so your twink is given t1 ammo ..... your priceless Dror.

Infact seeing as you opened that door, the reason you can't have twinks in this game is we have no locked characters, classes or content, player A plays for 90 days / player B plays for 90 days regardless if they both play the same amount of time or player A logs in every day and player B plays at the weekends only, at the end of the 90 days they both have the same skillpoints to distribute.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
YouAreMyBounty Sarn
Easy Squeezy Lemon Cheesy
#5182 - 2015-10-30 15:22:35 UTC  |  Edited by: YouAreMyBounty Sarn
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#5183 - 2015-10-30 15:43:58 UTC
Zerg Xander wrote:
I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.

I think this could actually draw new players


So much misunderstanding of the game in that statement. You can be better than a10 year veteran within a year of you specialize. You can be on competitive level with a 10 year veteran within a couple of months. I'm sorry you had a poor experience at start. I would try again and find a good corp.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
Jadon Wallace
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5184 - 2015-10-30 16:31:05 UTC
Dror wrote:
Jadon Wallace wrote:
Zerg Xander wrote:
I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.

I think this could actually draw new players


Interesting reply, I would like to know what you mean by being 'viable in PVP' and never being able 'to compete with a 5 year character'. SP is important but I feel it's a strong psychological factor rather than a barrier to entry in most cases, for example for a new character it's easy to get into a e-war frigate or even a electronic attack ship, both of which are very valuable and incredibly annoying on the field. Frigates in general are easy low entry and really newbies should start from the bottom and work there way up in competence, goes hand in hand with the time it takes to train to the next thing as well, it's not I can fly a Battleship therefore nothing under that can compete or kill me, EVE is a game of rock, paper, shotgun. People won't play fair, learn, play smart and work your way to where you want to be.

The game should seem absolutely enthralling before a character has to train T2 ammo. T1 fitting is vastly outplayed though, for the already tiny target selection of T1 frigates.

Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Zerg Xander wrote:
I love this idea! I am a new player who recently resubbed after quitting after only a couple months. This might actually keep me in the game. When I look at how long I will have to train to be viable in pvp it seems hopeless. If I try to pve I get insulted or ganked. The biggest problem this game has is its community. Everyone says they want to help noobs but you call us Care Bears gank us while mining or steal our stuff in missions. It seems like the only reason the older players want newer players is to kill them most older players who act like they are good at this game only take fights with weaker players. The old guard needs to be shaken up in this game. Most of the map is empty because coalitions control 100x more space then they need. Why would any new player stay in this game if they know that no matter how hard they work they will never be able to compete with a 5 year character.

I think this could actually draw new players


How many skill points do you feel you need in order to be good at pvp?

You should know that a skilled player flying a 'lesser' ship than yours with better general knowledge of pvp will still beat you.

On that note, it'd be interesting to watch a T1 ammo twink vs. a newbie that has a decent clue how to play (and has better skills obviously). I'd bet on the newbie for every class of ship probably.


The game is very deep and capturing, the thing with EVE is though you make your own adventures, stories and content. It's not like WoW or any other MMO, EVE is harsh, EVE is unforgiving and so for many it's not the game for them. For those who thrive on that kind of thing EVE is amazing, massive sandbox. Even as a newbie there is a lot to do, EVE is a game about sacrifice, patience and determination. I know for myself I would be put off by EVE being watered down into a typical MMO, this game is beautiful, this game is different and in my opinion it should stay that way. I am not saying we don't need to improve the new player experience or help out newcomers to the game, there is a lot that can be done on that front. But let's not encourage CCP to take away a big part of what makes this game great.
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
#5185 - 2015-10-30 17:14:28 UTC
Coming up next, golden ships and modules for aurum that have similar stats to T2 but don't require years of training.

The CSM XI Election are now open until March 25th, 2016. Consider Niko Lorenzio for CSM XI.

CSM matters, your voice matters, your vote matters!
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#5186 - 2015-10-30 18:19:33 UTC
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


See while I think selling SPs is a bad idea, the reasons you gave just play into the hands of the "pro selling SPs" camp because they sound like self entitled vet whine.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#5187 - 2015-10-30 18:24:55 UTC
Dror wrote:

On that note, it'd be interesting to watch a T1 ammo twink vs. a newbie that has a decent clue how to play (and has better skills obviously). I'd bet on the newbie for every class of ship probably.


Shocked LMFAO if you had said twink vs hisec bear I might have actually siht myself laughing Lol
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5188 - 2015-10-30 18:40:38 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


See while I think selling SPs is a bad idea, the reasons you gave just play into the hands of the "pro selling SPs" camp because they sound like self entitled vet whine.

Now you talking like a real politic.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Suede
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5189 - 2015-10-30 19:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Suede
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


Just a shame that 10 years playing eve till now we never had any way to buy SP and we eve Vets who have been royal to eve had
to train skill for all this time to get to the SP where are now, which we paying sub for all this time

Just a bit of joke that CCP letting new player become an 50Mill SP in less then a day is just bit of a joke and total insult to royal player base who been playing since Alpha/Beta and CCP needs to get its priority rights to think more about the royal paying 10 years olds who been with eve all this time,
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5190 - 2015-10-30 20:07:29 UTC
Suede wrote:
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


Just a shame that 10 years playing eve till now we never had any way to buy SP and we eve Vets who have been royal to eve had
to train skill for all this time to get to the SP where are now, which we paying sub for all this time

Just a bit of joke that CCP letting new player become an 50Mill SP in less then a day is just bit of a joke and total insult to royal player base who been playing since Alpha/Beta and CCP needs to get its priority rights to think more about the royal paying 10 years olds who been with eve all this time,

"Guys, SP training is awful, and others should have to do it because we did."

Conversely, there's rooting for every character getting max SP.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Iowa Banshee
Fenrir Vangard
#5191 - 2015-10-30 20:54:24 UTC
I think I would be less against this if it was skills being sold not skill points

Example:-
I have fighters lvl 5 so I can package it & sell it as lvl 5 fighters

If I can sell the SP value of a skill then what happens is "Does every pilot in my fleet have perfect skills? - NO - Then we just go out and buy them some" and the skills of pilots becomes secondary to the amount of ISK you can throw at them.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5192 - 2015-10-30 21:56:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Waiting for the golden ammo and T4 guns (for v.i.p members only) my god ccp.

If you going to do. I have calculate it. I have 130m sp
I have sins day 1 this char +5 implants (this is a alt duh) Cool
its now 7 years ago sins birth. A 2008 char

Pay every year : 131.40 x 7 years thats total of 919,80 And i have payed for this one with discount.

Now the SP calculator : 18mil and little more SP for every year thats past and so in total 130 mil sp in total of 7 years
Its the fasted way you can gain sp (i hope Big smile) (using eve mon for the fasted skill learning) And many new players will not get this fast sp every year.

if the pay 150 euro for 20 mil sp, i can live with that. Or i want a refund for all the wasted money. And i say bye bye eve. Not because i can not pay or agree its just i pay this game and wasted my money if i can buy for 20mil sp for 50 euro or so.

I`m feeling back stab about that one. I do agree ccp need to get more players from 60k to 30k is a huge dip sins the using plex. If the are going to use sp now this will even drop to what 10k because why in the name do you want to let your eve running? Just saying. There is no progress in the game because you can buy your progress. (sp its almost the same as xp) People love to get more sp if you going to remove progress people will stop there is no use to activate any account unless you get bored in other games and then you fire up eve buy some sp (if needing) buy a plex and go play for a month then quit for some months or years depend on what the going to release. So removing progress is stupid.

The reason why there is less people in eve is because you can buy plex so why farming and wasting your real life hours?!?. Just saying and i do the same. Its easy to get isk without the risk of dying or whatever. .. and you get the point. O well. Will see what happens if the going to do it. I know you can buy chars but those chars are payed the same amount of real life money like i have so i don`t give a crap about it. Same money same game. Not speed the progress up. Like the going to do. And for i can bet my progress on it for way less money than i have spend. There is the problem not anything els.
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#5193 - 2015-10-30 23:23:01 UTC
Suede wrote:
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


Just a shame that 10 years playing eve till now we never had any way to buy SP and we eve Vets who have been royal to eve had
to train skill for all this time to get to the SP where are now, which we paying sub for all this time

Just a bit of joke that CCP letting new player become an 50Mill SP in less then a day is just bit of a joke and total insult to royal player base who been playing since Alpha/Beta and CCP needs to get its priority rights to think more about the royal paying 10 years olds who been with eve all this time,


Delicious tears you have QQ moar plzkthxbai
Verminah Helbain
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#5194 - 2015-10-31 00:16:54 UTC
Why did they even bother posting this when it seems they have no intent on replying at all.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5195 - 2015-10-31 01:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Johan Civire
Leonardo Adami wrote:
Suede wrote:
YouAreMyBounty Sarn wrote:
My friend just text me about this. I'm livid!

You are going to offer the low skilled players a chance to boost their skill points significantly. I've had to train my account for just over 2 years to get 40 million skill points. A task that has cost me around £240 to do. Now you are saying to the beginners that they can grind a tonne of ISK on an alt account & use it to just BUY their skill points? Why would you punish me like that? If you go through with this, I would hope that you offer me to sell my points back to Eve Online for real life money at a rate of £10 a month (like you charge me), then I will just grind the ISK in game & buy all my skill points using ISK instead of paying the £240 I've spet on my account. I doubt you will offer me this chance, so I'm well annoyed. Let me know ASAP on if this will be in the patch because I won't be paying for a subscription anymore. I'll simply just grind the ISK and buy my skill points.

Any what about PVP fights now? Where possible I've tried to guess my opponents skill points by looking at their DOB. I would no longer be able to do that anymore?

Big corps who have trillions could just buy a 1day old toon and buy it 50 mill SP. So I could lose to a 1day old toon. What a joke man. Seriously.

Final thoughts:
What a joke! Not happy!


Just a shame that 10 years playing eve till now we never had any way to buy SP and we eve Vets who have been royal to eve had
to train skill for all this time to get to the SP where are now, which we paying sub for all this time

Just a bit of joke that CCP letting new player become an 50Mill SP in less then a day is just bit of a joke and total insult to royal player base who been playing since Alpha/Beta and CCP needs to get its priority rights to think more about the royal paying 10 years olds who been with eve all this time,


Delicious tears you have QQ moar plzkthxbai


Are you a League of Toxic player or what? Learn some respect dude or gtfo this forum. And stay at the topic. This is a serious matter if you can not handle that, then stay at world of warcraft. I can not stand this kind of stupid nonsense in those forums.

This is a serious problem for vet and for "new" people.
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#5196 - 2015-10-31 01:36:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Heth
Verminah Helbain wrote:
Why did they even bother posting this when it seems they have no intent on replying at all.


They're trying to see if they can get away with it. If we blink for a second, lower our guard just a tiny bit or perhaps grow tired of being ever defiant, they'll sneak in P2W juuuuust a tiny, teensy little bit... for now.

Do note that while they so cleverly grabbed our attention with this monstrosity of an idea they quickly brought us this new Crimson Harvest thing which is, of course, a test bed for more P2W.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#5197 - 2015-10-31 05:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniela Doran
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Verminah Helbain wrote:
Why did they even bother posting this when it seems they have no intent on replying at all.


They're trying to see if they can get away with it. If we blink for a second, lower our guard just a tiny bit or perhaps grow tired of being ever defiant, they'll sneak in P2W juuuuust a tiny, teensy little bit... for now.

Do note that while they so cleverly grabbed our attention with this monstrosity of an idea they quickly brought us this new Crimson Harvest thing which is, of course, a test bed for more P2W.


Yep and they threw in that fail alt (Dave Stark) to try and convince any gullible naysayers into thinking " Hey it's the same as Character Bazaar just only easier....*cough*.... and a tad more expensive". Unfortunately there are a few players in eve who relish this idea. Just as there are professional players in sports who cheat and take steroids for instant improvements in order to be able to compete with the more experience players, the players in eve who agree with this abominable idea are just the same.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#5198 - 2015-10-31 07:55:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Sgt Ocker
Daniela Doran wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Verminah Helbain wrote:
Why did they even bother posting this when it seems they have no intent on replying at all.


They're trying to see if they can get away with it. If we blink for a second, lower our guard just a tiny bit or perhaps grow tired of being ever defiant, they'll sneak in P2W juuuuust a tiny, teensy little bit... for now.

Do note that while they so cleverly grabbed our attention with this monstrosity of an idea they quickly brought us this new Crimson Harvest thing which is, of course, a test bed for more P2W.


Yep and they threw in that fail alt (Dave Stark) to try and convince any gullible naysayers into thinking " Hey it's the same as Character Bazaar just only easier....cough a tad more expensive". Unfortunately there are a few players in eve who relish this idea. Just as there are professional players in sports who cheat and take steroids for instant improvements in order to be able to compete with the more experience players, the players in eve who agree with this abominable idea are just the same.

It is coming - As confirmed during CCP Seagulls Vegas presentation.

Whether players want it or not.

This is about CCP making money, it has nothing to do with the health of TQ.
Fast money grabs from naive rookies and some existing players alike who think buying SP is an I WIN.
Only after they have spent their hard earned money will they come to realize how misleading and false CCP advertising is.


Trivia;
Ever watched seagulls on a beach - Thieves of the air, will steal the food right off your plate.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5199 - 2015-10-31 09:10:11 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:

Thieves of the air, will steal the food right off your plate.

We could and will do.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Erasmus Grant
Order of the Eclipse
Triumvirate.
#5200 - 2015-10-31 09:31:14 UTC
CCP would be better off selling Neural Remaps and name changes for characters.