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So much I could say, but lets be polite.

Capitals as a class have not had any rebalance or attention in years, they need it pure and simple because they have reached the point where they are fundamentally flawed given all the changes in and to the game that have taken place.
People that have spent their time in training into them & spent their isk on buying and fitting them, no less deserve to have that aspect of the game looked at by CCP, than do the people that have only the desire to fly sub caps.
You do realise that the "smaller ships" as you put it, have been looked at and continue to be looked at, with far more frequency and changes implemented to them, than any other class of ships.
Please,
Stop, Think & put your brain in to gear, before saying something which only makes you look silly.

Considering the effort in recent years to standardise the skill tree as much as possible, it's pretty safe to assume the pre-reqs for T2 capital weapons will be very similar to their smaller counterparts; requiring the preceeding T1 weapon skill to level 5 plus some decent supporting skill like Motion Prediction / Sharpshooter.

It's a pretty safe bet to start on Capital Weapon V, plus any supporting skills currently used for Large T2 weapons. That will get you the majority, if not all, of the pre-reqs.

Well fairly obviously because it is not just cost, is it


I think everyone more or less agrees that dreads are pretty well balanced as a class (some specific ships are questionable but the class is solid) today, they get a lot for their trade offs and those trades are fair.

I want to say "people" but I'll go with "my" instead because I'm not sure everyone is in actually agreement (and I think you're right about the escalation tears)....my concern is that the reduced DPS in the new turrets coupled with the nerfs on top of existing trade offs feels like it's tipping the scales towards too many downsides. Dreads are getting, effectively, nothing but nerfs and blap fittings rejigged.

Thus to my mind the key questions are these:

>Will the new weapons of tomorrow be superior to existing blap fit dreads? I.e. will they apply >= dps compared to existing ones?
>Will dreads have enough tank to reasonably expect to survive a siege cycle coupled with an inability to refit (either for 60 seconds, or the full timer - TBC)?

Remember that today, blap dreads can go from literally 100% gank and quickly refit if primaried - they cannot do that in the future thus will have to either compromise gank, or risk someone hitting that glass cannon with a hammer.

Certainly, smaller alliances could potentially use them to shore up pilot shortfall, in theory but in practice, are these going to...pull their weight?

In short these might be fine, but the numbers being banded around do give me concerns that they are worth the trade offs when one considers the nerfs coming with it.

I don't think the sky is falling and my concerns are at as high a level as the detail, but right now stacking up what we know the numbers seem low. Yes, there are certainly unknowns and variables but it's still worth mulling over.

Why should capital ships be fundamentally different from subcapital ships when it comes to tackling ability? Serious question.

Why shouldn't all Eve ships follow the same principles when it comes to tackling?

Subcapital tackling is in a pretty good spot right now. You have a basically equal system in which almost any subcapital ship can tackle another subcapital ship, with lots of room for diverse counter play and specialization. Why shouldn't capital ships follow the same rules?

It does devalue HICs quite badly.

However if they altered HICs to block not just capitals but subcapitals from using gates, you'd quite possibly never see me in another hull, ever again.

What happens when a 200 man NPSI bomber fleet cynos in? Those supers start to die, because they can be tackled by bombers too. Support for supers isn't going anywhere.


The change overall is good (ESPECIALLY if it cascades down to BS hulls), just HICs need a little love to compensate.

HIC's are the new HAC's - the rest of Eve just has not caught on to that fact quite yet. They are seriously awesome. They are my primary PVP ships these days.

The titan pilot can't select where the ships teleported by the Hand-of-God (or is that Hand-Of-Bob?) Class Doomsday will go, thats random :)

So I'm not sure how the smart bombing battleships could take advantage of it?

I see your point. The difference is with the EHP of the two platforms.

A Guardian has a max EHP of around 120k? Maybe 150k with some wierd faction variation, so it is possible to alpha it out. It can also be damped/jammed/etc.
An existing Triage Archon has a max EHP of 1m+, and its immune to all forms of EWar.

Comparing the two isn't Apples to Apples :)

Right, but forgive me if I wrong, but while the EHP is different, the Triage archon also loses all mobility for a period of time, and it also doesn't gain that ewar immunity unless its in triage.

You had the balance right before. If you want substandard reps and a gtfo card, then you use "regular mode" If you want improved reps and ewar immunity then you have to commit to the whole triage cycle and lose mobility. I don't see how this was out of balance?