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Your either very naive, or as point out before on a personal crusade, i can show you 12 sites atleast where you can buy characters / accounts / ingame items for plenty of games non have skillpoints - the bazaar was deemed by CCP the lesser of the 2 evils in controlling their property.
Where do you think the ability for them to fly the Logistics ships the marauders or just plain old t1 cruisers come from, oh skillpoints. There value comes from the roles they adopt, the same guy who pilots the destroyer just out salvaging with his buddies one day will soon be in the svipul engaging, theres always someone who wants to sweep up as well as combat

This just smacks of Dror trying to decry his own personal experiences in game but ....
Corps set out rules and they dont ever ask for a pilot to be X and X only, If its all out war theres a job for everyone, if its specific ops, what time you invested in game will dictacte where you can assist best. Just because you can only fly ABC and not XYZ doesnt effect of how you will be perceived everyone started at the beginning and knows what its like. I dont think ive even ever conceived the idea that just because someone has 1 million skillpoints he/she is no good. If thats the case why would places like EvE Uni be here.

There's no evidence on the plausibility of a black market, without leveling, by showing games with leveling.

So, you're saying the character's value is reduced by the roles he can't adopt?

Nothing's saying that corps require roles. It's about feeling valuable, not feeling categorized.


You're not actually addressing if SP is a problem, nor if it is being updated because of that.

It causes a black market. That is supposedly an issue. You're also inaccurately ascribing value to characters and not gameplay. The point is just more evidence that subs aren't getting what they come for, whether it's a top tier character or a top tier experience.


You're saying the study's idea is fundamentally flawed. That's on you. How is it not obvious that character value is directly correlative with what that character can do?

I did address that actually, I specifically addressed why this was being expanded.

The relevant portion for this change is, "to make it accessible and not the playground of elites, as well as to build better character identity investment, we are looking at granulating it."

It's not the presence of a black market, that's what justified the Bazaar initially, but we've moved beyond that. There is no black market for granulated SP (no means to trade it exists, thus no market can even be formed) so granulating SP can't be justified by that reasoning.

No, I'm saying the study:
a) wasn't actually presented itself, but your interpretations, shielding yourself from anyone determining applicability or critique
b) even with your interpretations you gave doesn't actually support your assertions; you're still making the assumption that SP is a social determinator while not providing evidence this "study" actually says that. Rather you're taking your own bias about the value of a character being determined by SP and creating these equivalencies purely from that rather than the study.

The rest of us don't see low SP players as effectively crippled and thus don't conflate that as being socially undesirable. You haven't presented any study with counter reasoning.

Yes, because you aren't using a character at the same level of a new character. If you did you'd get the exact same thing. That you refuse isn't something that needs accommodated.

So make a new character, the same way a new player has to, and you too will get the full 500k SP while still enjoying the perks of having tens of millions of SP at your disposal for being a long time customer on your current character.

It makes perfect sense. (Hint: allowing you to efficiently overtake significantly longer trained characters doesn't leave them with much prestige for their tenure, does it).

1/I don't even know how to respond to this, i cannot post links to these kind of sites just use google it may open your eyes to whats available from black markets. Here you will find your evidence.
2/No you are by saying skillpoints hold you back,Any other game you play the only time you are progressing is when your actually logged on,EvE on the other hand if your on for 10 minutes or 10 hours or dont log on for a week your are still progressing.
3/So a corp like EvE Uni thats dedicated 11 years of helping people to progress in game, give pilots of sense of purpose achieve limitless potential is not creating a feeling of value and satisfaction. Your delusional !

Your Study does not include EvE or an enviroment close to EvE - To add to your feeling warm and cuddly to your theories you talk values, the studies games dont allow the sale of characters - EvE's does / Your study was performed on the most part PVE enviroment as proved by that fact this fair and even playing - a strong guild membership is essential for survival, and it is nearly impossible to win without a guild. The study itself acknowledges that it was done in a very limited enviroment and would hold no validity in arguements !!!

3 days you have done this and 3 days you were debunked each morning returning to skew your flawed study material in a different light to suit YOUR perceptions of what EvE should be.

For the most part i would advise anyone not to post to this as its just adding to a trolls personal crusade against skillpoints.

You are so out of touch it really is scary.

You can't seriously believe half of what you type here and expect others to swallow it.

Online statistics show. CCP is doing a wonderful job, they don't make mistakes that end up with players giving up and leaving. They have never made a mistake that caused a riot in the main trade hub of the game.

Subscriptions levels are at an all time high - There is so much content no-one has to spend hours or even days flying around completely empty systems (that were 12 months ago active places to get fights).

New Icons developed for a technology a minority use - That still look like crap on a 1080P monitor. Cruisers and battle cruisers, frigates and destroyers - Yes they have different icons - The dev blog says so - Though you would be hard pushed to tell them apart in game, without a magnifying glass.
New map that is so overwhelmingly colourful it is all but unusable (pretty is not functional) - Scanning with it is a nightmare, unless of course you turn off all effects - Thankfully the map dev team is smart enough to realize their mistake and didn't remove a map that just works. One does have to wonder why the Beta map is still there, when it should have been removed until game ready (if ever).

Rapid missile launchers - You really want to go there? I'm happy to, just let me know.

Put your head back up where ever it came from ( I can only guess reading some of the drivel you've posted) and stop talking shite.
Over my 8 years playing Eve, I have seen the good the bad and recently, quite ugly side of what passes for game development at CCP.

Lie to yourself and the uninformed all you like, just don't try to lie to those who actually play the game.

They could just be letters..

The point is non-obvious. Retention being low sorta undermines any claims of a "deep, meaningful, long-term relationship" being set up from SP. That's even discussing nothing about its negative effects on competitiveness and character value.

That would be fine, as long as they were clearly distinguishable . (cheap to produce too, which seems to have been the goal)

What we have is only marred by the most commonly seen icons looking the same.
Change the two __ icons to anything else to distinguish them as different classes. An individual icon is not made with a lazy underline - It is lazy cheap workmanship.