EVE General Discussion

Well yes and no. WE (WH, Low, HS) get bandaids... Nullsec gets emergency surgery... three times now. Problem is CCP is a crap doctor.

So I would rather be ignored like we are, than have our spleen removed by accident and a second liver put in it's place like Null got.

Problem is CCP needs to stop with the Buff here Nerf there to make it even approach and look at CONTENT... not nerf or buff, CONTENT.

Mission maker, also flawed. With a made mission, it is now scripted. Meaning predictable, solvable and aside from a rare few creators, lacking any engaging depth usually.

Missions should be a tool to encourage and desire a more corp based, lowsec and nullsec lifestyle. This should be done by giving tastes of something more (and offering it once there) instead or dumping lye on the steak to stop the person from eating it. They will go to something less tasty but still be satisfied.

Broken record of mine for past few years. Sansha live events were probably the biggest thing eve ever did for engaging and enticing the player community. It offered players something more, and had depth. I ran fleets, usually made of high sec people who came from their shells mining or missioning to be part of something big and unknown. Being part of a fleet and community, seeing this huge thing. it affected hundreds of people.

Years later, I still get convos from people. Those who see me in local and strike up a conversation. I changed eve for hundreds of "carebears". The fact that some remember my name years later and that the experience they received encouraged them to be part of lowsec and nullsec lifestyle says something.

What effect did moving L5 agents do to encourage a pvp lifestyle? Probably discouraged it because nerfed income now just means more time doing farming to fund it.




That is what gives the foot twitch from pvp in eve and the excitement. If I am wrong, you guys say. The best fights and adrenalin always comes from the fights that one does not know the outcome. When it is already decided and known, suddenly the reason is lost for competitive people. A gank gives me no sense of victory or achievement. A sov battle where the alliance folds because it is so one sided, same thing. That is why I am not in null right now. The good fights were ending.

PvP needs to be about more than numbers and press F1.
PvE has to be unknown and scaling for risk and reward
Industry needs to be an active mechanic

And lastly, they all should be integrated together if you want maximum results.

that is probably the one line I can agree with most people in this thread.

If CCP made it easier to get to the far reaches of null, more people would go there. Jump fatigue hasn't helped with this at all.
If you can't ferry your goods easily whats the point of gathering it ?
Drop some NPC null islands, or eve low sec islands to make it easier and more people would go further. Sometimes there is no way around the power houses to the "dead" space.
My opinion anyway.

overall good post, but level 5s were designed to be in lowsec from the very beginning. For a short while they could show up in highsec due to random spawning locations. Some will say that got nerfed, but I think it was more of a fix to meet original design goals.

would be interesting to see some stats on lv5 running, sounds like it can be very lucrative. but just by being in lowsec it seems to drive off most people.

I used to run them by chaining agents to try and get them into highsec. The ones I did? No way would I do that as a means of lowsec income. The ships needed are worth a fair bit to have the power, and not solo. Awesome fun because once every few days, me and a few corpies would get together and hit them. A group with logi in a field of big red crosses, pretty wild time compared to level 4s.

That said, I cannot see how they are viable. The damage income means any pvp person could ninja in, disrupt the balance just for a moment, and then full fleet wipe. Bring in peoples to defend the mission run? Suddenly the income split means it is actually a pretty sour bit of isk. Back then, the L5 system areas only had two groups. People trying to get them into highsec, and people trying to find mission runners. I didn't know of anybody who actually ran them in lowsec.

Overall, mission design wasn't complementary to the lifestyle. Fixed spawn and hubs plus needing big and heavy ships meant that no point to doing them. L4s in highsec made L5s in lowsec a poor choice.

Kinda relates to what I talk about with bait and switch. L5s being high security as they are, but a change to earnings would encourage group play. Not everybody has combat alts to do them. That is a key for most eve pvp, flying as a fleet. Solo pvp is pretty rare. The fleet combat potentials are the real jewel to eve PvP.

If you put in the effort to run lvl 5 properly they pay a hefty amount, like silly hefty. I'd say that the effort it takes combined with the risk (which takes effort to minimise) is on par with the pay out they give so LVL 5 are balanced just fine: quite good pay but not for everyone.

It's LVL 4 that is out of whack (and lvl 1-3 as well but those pay too little), lvl 4 base income is too good and on top of that some specific LP stores pay too well. Lowering lvl 4 overall income is very much needed because its risk&effort vs reward is just too good, it lowers the attractiveness of lvl 5 missions and also other (low, null, WH) income types.

I tried some factional warfare.


The enemy started small and it was fun at first. Random people about, but then some Russians started fighting, and it got to about 3 or 4 people. They killed my ships with numbers. But I fit a daredevil as a surefire way to get some kills in a novice. So I went to a medium and watched d-scan ready if there was something too big, and they brought a curse so I couldn't see it coming. I tried smalls but they brough a dragoon, and I countered it with my own dragoon before they even knew I saw theirs.


They left system with a bb after seeing my counter and doubled numbers the next day. It wasn't long before the Russians took the system I was in and all the systems around it, there were 10 or more of them that would log on any time I entered system and chase me, they wouldn't plex unless it was to sit in each plex and control all of them in the hopes of easy kills. Half my near stuff got locked in the station.

I could do absolutely nothing about the situation but leave or fly around evasively in a frigate with safe spots, and you expect me to do what in null? I tried "Pandemic horde" but any lapse in attention got my blobbed by shiny things, and even if they died they would be back with another deadspace fit orthurus within half an hour. I could barely afford a T1 thorax to rat in so I was having trouble affording more than a T1 fit thrasher to pvp in.

The standing fleets were only good for retaliation, you can't expect a fleet of people 24/7 on the ready to save your ass when they want to actually do what they are doing in the game. They will drop stuff and help, but it's hard to get kills even baiting people on roams, you don't actually expect that standing fleet to save you right?

D-scan and checking local can also get exhausting while trying to rat in something cheap, and you just have to learn to ignore the cloaky campers and expect to lose something to them from time to time, or do nothing at all because they can't actually be fought.

The best time I had in low was when i bought a plex and bought a bunch of PVP ships to roam in. If you have a mission farming alt, or null alt, or market alt to fund it then sure have a great time. If you play one account, just joining a corp with a wardec of someone actually willing to hunt you will completely ruin you. Which is why Russians deliver pvp alts to lowsec spots directly located off highsec, for quick logon pvp. While something else farms.

I assume nullsec being safe is only in some spots where anyone attacking you gets drilled into the ground to insure safe ratting.

I undocked a brick tank procurer and literally when I tried to redock on the first hit I got "your ship is out of your control", then my pod died. Figures the goons had an instablap tengu fleet on station. The mittani was chatting in local so I guess it was a bad idea to even undock.

Good Afternoon,

I have locked this thread as it has been titled and worded to antagonise and create inflammatory discussion.