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Yes. This is also getting changed to support the Citadels as they will potentially have very long targeting ranges. This might mean there's one or two other places we'll need to poke at to prevent unexpected issues!

Removing some tempests, adding one reps cap
better tank, better projection
you dont need dreads.

Each type of superweapon will be a different module. We won't be using scripts to alter them. There might be fitting restrictions of only one superweapon at all, or only only one of each type. That is TBD


I'm not sure if there's any plans for this yet, but it is an interesting idea.


Yes that is an option. One possibility that has been raised is that on patch day, any carrier with a triage module fitted will be turned in to a force aux. But this is still very much something we want to get your input on before we nail down the final plan.

Hi CCP,

To say, most of your changes sounding promising, let me list those first:

What sounds good:
- Fleet, Ship Hangers for everyone plus refitting form dreads
- Dreads will get more used
- Finally again anti sub capital warfare
- Dedicated capital logistics
- The new Doomsday, but don't remove the old one - still let us do 3m damage to capitals if we want
- More love for the minmatar capitals

What I don't like
- No refitting in fight
○ This has been a mastery for everyone
§ Mobile depots where heavy used as well as nestors
§ This should be still in the game
§ I personal think this should still be in the game as this is a skill of its own kind doesn't matters if capital or sub capital
○ This will have another ugly side effect:
§ Capitals will get used less as you will wait out too long or even don't commit due to having the wrong fitting
§ Same goes for extreme expensive sub capital fleets with nestors and mobile depots
§ Just leave it in the game
- The energy source of the new Doomsdays
○ This will make Shield even more obsolete as their tank totally relies on energy to work
- That the old Doomsdays is gone it still should be in there, as it's a massive anti capital weapon + the new Doomsday features
- Hic's will get obsolete
- EHP Remove, they are more easy to kill with the ewar immunity gone.. Even today it's a question of 5 to 10min for those big ships to die ( calculating the TiDi and the lag out or lookigng at non TiDi fights )

Values your where asking our feedback to:
- The remove of eware immunity, I didn't like it in the past but that’s too easy. You should need at least 10-20 Falcons to make a titan blind, you should need at least 50 to 100 points to tackle it or a bubble or a hic.
- Rorquals what about those? Give them some love as well

What sounds good but I'm still curious about:
- Anti-sub capital weapons DPS
○ 1-2k DPS is to less
§ Just image what a good fitted faction BS can do as DPS many DPS as a dread.. Give it like 5k. It should still be an advantage
- New fighters
○ Still thinking how this could work in a 2000+ person fight
- The effect on shield capitals with the new logic's
○ Meaning every entity in eve has to decide to fly shield or armor and shield will not be chosen due to that it still is weaker and the bad side effects on it from the new DD. Plus you need to get two logi types in fleet.
§ Sadly I don't have a solution to it yet

I'm not experienced with low sec or null sec cap warfare, just in wormholes but it would seem to me that the use of dreads will become as follows...

Small/medium groups will not field dreads to kill sub caps because if they do and they get dropped by even one hostile dread designed to kill caps, they will not be able to fight back because they will be massively outgunned.

At the other end of the scale, large groups will be able to have all their dreads fit with High Angle Weapon Batteries and have the freedom of being able to obliterate sup capital fleets and smaller cap fleets alike, through shear number superiority.

"The incredibly talented and endlessly creative players of EVE Online have taken combat refitting to its extremes. "

So I don't get your aim here. You appear to be punishing the ‘Talented’ and ‘Creative’ to enhance the mediocre. Isn’t refitting with a combat timer just part of mastering the gameplay? That fact that so many caps get killed already shows that players are already compensating for the refitting on their own. I’d say kill this change.

But thats exactly what You are saying - In WH You will no longer need capitals, except for citadel bashing. escalations will take 5-10 times as long as it is now, no one will use them for PVP (its cheaper to get 2 BS or 3-4 T3's to get the same damage with much better application)

I think DPS on dread using those new guns need to be rethinked

It's not my place to give specifics but I just want to let you know that the application of capitals in wormholes is definitely being considered alongside these changes.

We appreciate your cautious optimism! The devil is in the details of course so please continue to provide feedback as we nail down the exact stats and mechanics

Farming escalation you earn 10kkk isk/hour for each member of fleet without any danger. now experts from hi- null- and low- sec
tell that you. o/

Cool ideas; looking forward to actual implementation.

A few comments:

- Subcapital drone ships are much more versatile than subcapital gunships, but the gunships do have the theoretical chance to neutralize the droneships via destroying the drones. In a carrier vs. dread fight, will the dread be able to kill the carrier fighters? The "high angle" guns don't seem suited for this purpose.

- Currently pilots are training triage / siege skills for their dreads / carriers. Hopefully you will refund capital skillpoints so we can either re-focus on the changed roles of carriers or switch to logistics.

- For the doomsday weapons, the Sickle and Pike sound like they will be too easy to dodge compared to the penalties suffered by the titan and his fleet for firing the weapon. I would like to suggest letting the pilot also choose beam width, at the expense of beam angular velocity (i.e. wide slow moving beam (cone) vs. narrow fast beam).

- Also for doomsday weapons, your examples show only small angle swing arcs. What happens if the pilot chooses a 180 or 360 degree beam swing? If you are limiting the weapon to small arcs, what happens if the pilot shoots it (across the directions of) straight up or straight down? EVE has issues with ship rotation through the straight up and straight down directions.

- Any changes to the cyno mechanic for moving these ships? Anything to reduce the need for so many cyno alts?

- Please build help/tutorial tabs on the new UI elements. Actually, do that for all UI elements. Push the "?" button, have an Aura-like overlay slide to the side explaining common usage and buttons. A lot of this information was lost with your opportunities system.