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I disagree very much.

Refitting can absolutely require skill in the form of in-depth fitting knowledge and correct situational prioritization of attributes.

Even something as simple as "Throw on full tank" has stupid many permutations.

What even is full tank???

Is the incoming damage balanced or can you optimize further from omni for it?

Could the incoming damage change, how much should you optimize and leave yourself time to react to a damage type switch?

Can you overheat specific hardeners until burnout then refit fresh ones to buy more time?

Which hardener combinations give you the best omni profile with your native resists, the best trade-off vs other likely damage type swaps?

Which sacrificial heated hardeners give you the most tank for the longest for a particular damage profile?

Could you get bumped and lose the ability to refit, could you get neuted, should some or all of your tank be passive?

If you're active hardened and being neuted should you generate cap, should you inject cap, should you reflect neuting with capacitor battery and get fed cap?

Do you really even need to go full tank or is there enough surplus RR that you could reduce your tank and affect the fight beneficially in some other way?

tl;dr: you can dismiss it as "too powerful" or "too tryhard" but please don't even try to dismiss it as "no skill"

Removing ewar immunity from Siege/Triage seems like a bad idea.

First, I would like say that I love these changes. I would like to see the jump range increased some to go along with these, just to make the game less of a chore, but I think these changes are a breath of fresh air and I like them.

I see one glaring problem though:

Even with the changes super and titans are super expensive. If their EHP goes down to be more in line with other ships, then it should stand to reason that the price and build time/costs should go down to be more in line with other ships as well.

The more affordable they are, the more they will be used, which means the more they will die.

Are there any plans to rework the costs of supers and titans?

When talking about new Capital Sized modules, are you going to do something about the size of them...being able to carry modules to refit is going to be extremely difficult when you can only carry a couple...

All of these choices are largely congruent to a situation where you can't refit, except they matter even more when you have no replacements.

The small depth of tactical decisions, amplified by the removal of cost associated with changing your modules, in no way is worth the complete neutering of all the strategic decisions involved in picking your fit in the first place.

Hey guys,

Everyone prety excited about these changes, they sound interesting to say the least.

We've heard shockingly few details (or questions from the community) about the general stats and end results of capital propulsion modules. Is it only microwarpdrives, or afterburners also? What kinds of speeds are to be expected / are you aiming for in general?

Ever since times of olde, hushed prophesies of nano dreads have been heard. I'm eager to hear what's up.

I mean...WHY NOT?

CCP mashed up the game so much...making titans and supers even more useless i guess won't matter that much.
Like it's not enough you pay over 130bil for a titan+fits....and you can't take a dread out with a dd... they have to make it even worse...

Supers? Why not nerf their HP and bonuses even more....they rly are OP now, and abused in daily gameplay....

TBH CCP... your marketing and Guest satisfaction (players in our case) is as ****** as it can get. You cannot have ppl investing all this time in training and buying titans and supers, fitting them with tens of billions worth of items, so you can make those ships worse and worse and worthless with any major patch you're implementing.

It is bad enough the player database is extremely low, and instead of you thinking of ways to get players back, and bringing new ones, you're actually forcing us to leave??? Because this is what you ARE doing if you look at the big picture.

Some more questions ( which i'm sure you have no answers, or there is still decisions to be made upon):

1: If all supers and titans can be tackled by any ship....what will the HICS role be? Will they be immune to the "Hand of God"?

2: If supers and titans can only be docked in XL citadels, that means POS's will still remain fulfilling the same roles they have now? Or you will be forcing every titan player to be in an alliance that owns a XL citadel, so that their titans won't be left to float in space?

3: This new doomsday's, will they give you the same timer like the present doomsday? So if you activate all your doomsday's, will the titan be stuck in the system for 30 minutes, unable to jump out / cloak ?

4: On your next EVE VEGAS, can there be a pre-selection of participants, with guys that will ask proper questions? guys that really care about the game? Like instead of paying all those tickets for the 1000 CCP guys with no oratorical skills to be present there, useless...get the major alliances leaders involved, bring them there, and let them ask questions, let them sit at the round table...because they are the ones guiding and leading your customers, they are the ones bringing numbers, fights, losses...they are the ones that directly or indirectly keep the game you're trying to kill still alive.

did they get a new furnace installed at CCP HQ? There must be a fume problem in that building, because someone would have to be huffing diesel truck exhaust to think these changes were good.


Thanks for the giant "Screw you" to everyone who trained triage II. Completely uprooting the the triage carrier pilot will go over grand.

Some thinks sounds good (new cap mods, rebalancing and immunity). But on the other hand i dislike that you inroduce the new logistic carrier, because i´m enjoy to be a logi and a dmg dealer at the same time. I think this is one of the best to manage your drones and your remote stuff.

ok the fighter changes sounds gut but why you introduce a new system and don´t make it old school and let supper have all drones with an 100 or 200% dmg boost?

"New rapid firing anti-sub-capital weapon batteries are specifically designed to fire at sub-capitals. However their damage will be considerably lower than current XL weapon systems (in the 1 to 2k DPS range on a Sieged Dreadnought)"

I assume that these will be replacing the current extra large guns... If so, isn't this is a massive nerf? In what situation would anyone field a dread, worth billions, to kill sub-caps if it only has the fire power of 2-3 battleships?

I'm looking at this from the perspective of a wormholer and it seems as though there will be no use for dreads outside of pos bashing and instead, I'll be forced to fly a carrier if I want to fly caps in a fight.