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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4781 - 2015-10-24 16:00:34 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.



“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”

General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4782 - 2015-10-24 16:05:34 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
You never answered where from?

You are too young for answer on that type of questions.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#4783 - 2015-10-24 16:06:17 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:


No comment on first part of my comment? Roll


if you didn't shut up after the first time some one pointed out you were wrong like 100 pages ago. what difference will it make me telling you how wrong you are?

at least the other guy has the excuse of not understanding english very well.


If you didn`t shut up after the first time someone pointed out you are just dodging and avoiding questions like 100 pages ago. What difference will it make me telling you what a trolling, manipulative spinner you are? :D Still I enjoy doing it time after time Lol

Thanks for having consistency of not being able to provide counter arguments through this long thread.

Also, thanks for being with us for 200 pages, spending countless hours for something which is "of no importance" to you Blink


although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.

counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.

just because it isn't important doesn't mean it isn't interesting. sports aren't important yet millions of people spend millions if not billions of hours watching it - because they find it interesting.


Only thing shown throughout every time you dodged the question was twisting out words, taking things out of the context then replying on them, stating lies, trying to manipulate and spin. "omg the sky is falling" camp obviously understood what you are doing so you have been accused by multiple people for doing that.

Counter arguments were not provided, you did not even read all the arguments. I have challenged you multiple times to do so. If they are so dumb, they should be easily challenged. And if other side cannot disapprove you then you win that discussion. Yet you have failed to do it that way and you just keep spamming, hoping that your stamina in manipulation will outlast others and that the noise you create will show people who just join the thread that you actually disapproved someone and that the "supporters" are correct so they will not spend too much time thinking about it on their own but just taken stated lie for granted truth. Ie you are trying with the old one "1000 repeated lie becomes truth" to make your bs truth.

For example Dror has way more arguments for his idea than you do. Even though i completely dislike his idea of making EVE look like counter strike he does provide some arguments which do work in his theory but they have too mine cons he is simply not taking in consideration.

There were also some others who tried discussing with real pro/con arguments.

On the other side we have you,Mr Epeen, divine something, who will keep trolling or repeating stated lies like they are facts and trying to challenge others based on that.

I guess sports are important for those people then? As they are the most interesting thing they can find?Other way they would spend time on something more important. Still, another try of your digression as by looking how much time you dedicate to this topic it seems it is quite important for you to push it. As you do not just watch it, you are top spammer here.

I do not know nor care why do you do it, but saying that you do not care about something and then spend hours and hours, day by day proves your statement is nonsense. Like the most of other things you say Blink Or you have empty life and you find this being so exciting and interesting topic to troll 200 pages. In which case I am sorry for you.

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know

General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4784 - 2015-10-24 16:07:47 UTC
ColdBeauty wrote:
vets are going to abuse this system and push the price up

There is such thing called market. If something is too pricy than more sellers will come and price will go down.
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4785 - 2015-10-24 16:11:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dror
Sgt Ocker wrote:
Dror wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
8 out of every 10 will quit when they find it is likely to cost them a few hundred dollars to buy enough SP to fly what they want.

So, what's the alternative suggestion?

It is not perfect but is better than just buying SP.

Briefly;
Create skill cues for particular ships, or easier on Devs, provide links to eveMon, EveHq etc at the time a character is created
Trial last 28 days and starts with 1 mil SP ( 500k unallocated)
Upon subscription a new player / account is given an additional 2 mil unallocated SP.

After 1 month in the game an account can accrue 4 mil SP with no implants or special remap.
Then it is down to us as Eve to keep them invested in the game.

Oh, yeah..

I would imagine that the SP system would be much more rewarding if all skills were divided by faction. Instead of training so much for a single support skill, that skill is divided by 4. That reduces the problems even from fitting SP.

Edit: This sorta relies on the idea that increasing the value (sub retention) of the game is the main reason for the announcement idea. It obviously doesn't support the same benefits as actually adding SP to the character, but it does bridge the low-SP starter niche and their goals more efficiently.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.

Dave stark
#4786 - 2015-10-24 16:14:26 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.





no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.
Dave stark
#4787 - 2015-10-24 16:16:13 UTC
General Lootit wrote:
ColdBeauty wrote:
vets are going to abuse this system and push the price up

There is such thing called market. If something is too pricy than more sellers will come and price will go down.


especially when the barrier to entry in such a market is 0.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#4788 - 2015-10-24 16:16:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.





no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.


At least provide links for such things you state, might help you get some credibility.

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#4789 - 2015-10-24 16:19:09 UTC
General Lootit wrote:
ColdBeauty wrote:
vets are going to abuse this system and push the price up

There is such thing called market. If something is too pricy than more sellers will come and price will go down.

Not as much as you would imagine - Not long ago plex were 500 mil.
If an item is put on the market too much cheaper than what others are selling it for - It will get purchased in bulk and relisted at the higher prices.
If one of the idle rich in Eve believe they can profit (or just mess with the market) by buying all of a popular item that is available - They will - and turn a nice profit on it by relisting it for more.

As Alavaria Fera said - The joy of player-driven markets.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.

Dave stark
#4790 - 2015-10-24 16:21:28 UTC
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.





no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.


At least provide links for such things you state, might help you get some credibility.


i linked it pages and page ago, you should have already watched it.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4791 - 2015-10-24 16:24:51 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.





no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.


All i see is bla bla bla Quote. i suppose you could always create one and show me even ?

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”

elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#4792 - 2015-10-24 16:27:15 UTC
How about NO?

If people don't like what they are buying they simply should not buy it. Countless times I said already we do not need more super pilots.
Noobs are noobs for a reason.

In addition to that you are killing your own game. EVE is supposed to last forever. How do you want to accomplish that if your playerbase is done training in 2 days?

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

Aura sound-clips: Aura forever

General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4793 - 2015-10-24 16:28:04 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
General Lootit wrote:
ColdBeauty wrote:
vets are going to abuse this system and push the price up

There is such thing called market. If something is too pricy than more sellers will come and price will go down.

Not as much as you would imagine - Not long ago plex were 500 mil.
If an item is put on the market too much cheaper than what others are selling it for - It will get purchased in bulk and relisted at the higher prices.
If one of the idle rich in Eve believe they can profit (or just mess with the market) by buying all of a popular item that is available - They will - and turn a nice profit on it by relisting it for more.

As Alavaria Fera said - The joy of player-driven markets.

So it's traiding warfare and not abuse. Legit part of the game as any warfare.
Dave stark
#4794 - 2015-10-24 16:28:31 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
although as shown throughout every time i "dodged a question" it was by answering the question. i had to explain my answers 5 times since it seems everyone in the "omg the sky is falling" camp doesn't quite understand how words work.
You never answered where from?, i expected as much though as the only way someone totally new could find billions of isk is to open the wallet and swap some $/£ from the royal bank of CCP. Its just youve not got the bottle to admit it.

Dave Stark wrote:
counter arguments were provided pages ago, i'm just too lazy to type it all out again. honestly. you youngsters have the energy for repetition, i'm getting old.
After 8 times of trying you would never give me an answer to why the unkown outcome of a player selling as opposed to the risk averse CCP way either.





no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.


All i see is bla bla bla Quote. i suppose you could always create one and show me even ?


i suppose you could always go back and read the replies, watch the video i linked and listened to the man with the silly goatee explain it on the video?
Dave stark
#4795 - 2015-10-24 16:29:28 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
How about NO?

If people don't like what they are buying they simply should not buy it. Countless times I said already we do not need more super pilots.
Noobs are noobs for a reason.

In addition to that you are killing your own game. EVE is supposed to last forever. How do you want to accomplish that if your playerbase is done training in 2 days?

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.


you people have this really really strange idea that eve has but one activity - the skill queue.

you are aware there's more to eve than the skill queue... right?
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4796 - 2015-10-24 16:35:52 UTC
elitatwo wrote:

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.

Lol funny. Do you know why? Becuse it's just joke.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4797 - 2015-10-24 16:36:01 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
How about NO?

If people don't like what they are buying they simply should not buy it. Countless times I said already we do not need more super pilots.
Noobs are noobs for a reason.

In addition to that you are killing your own game. EVE is supposed to last forever. How do you want to accomplish that if your playerbase is done training in 2 days?

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.


you people have this really really strange idea that eve has but one activity - the skill queue.

you are aware there's more to eve than the skill queue... right?

Why you asking me that, iv'e been telling Lootit and Dror that a few thousand messages ago, but apparently its not worth the effort.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”

Dave stark
#4798 - 2015-10-24 16:37:05 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
How about NO?

If people don't like what they are buying they simply should not buy it. Countless times I said already we do not need more super pilots.
Noobs are noobs for a reason.

In addition to that you are killing your own game. EVE is supposed to last forever. How do you want to accomplish that if your playerbase is done training in 2 days?

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.


you people have this really really strange idea that eve has but one activity - the skill queue.

you are aware there's more to eve than the skill queue... right?

Why you asking me that, iv'e been telling Lootit and Dror that a few thousand messages ago, but apparently its not worth the effort.


i'm not asking you that.

seriously dude, learn to read.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#4799 - 2015-10-24 16:39:21 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:

no, it isn't. we've established many times how new players can earn billions. go and watch the meta show where the leader of goonswarm explains it - you don't just have to take my word for it, you see.


At least provide links for such things you state, might help you get some credibility.


i linked it pages and page ago, you should have already watched it.


I do not need it, I was trying to teach you how to get some credibility. Random guy joining now and reading your post can just mark you as bs poster over it as you talk about something that can be easily linked without the link itself. Ie that is how you make proper post with argument as not many will read previous 200+ pages.

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know

Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4800 - 2015-10-24 16:43:53 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
How about NO?

If people don't like what they are buying they simply should not buy it. Countless times I said already we do not need more super pilots.
Noobs are noobs for a reason.

In addition to that you are killing your own game. EVE is supposed to last forever. How do you want to accomplish that if your playerbase is done training in 2 days?

Can you hear that sound?


Right, that is the sound of EVE Offline.


you people have this really really strange idea that eve has but one activity - the skill queue.

you are aware there's more to eve than the skill queue... right?

Why you asking me that, iv'e been telling Lootit and Dror that a few thousand messages ago, but apparently its not worth the effort.


i'm not asking you that.

seriously dude, learn to read.

Im just replying Stark styleBlink

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”