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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4741 - 2015-10-24 13:41:02 UTC
Eli Depran wrote:
I still think CCP is grabbing for way too much real cash, it's getting obnoxious. There are so many other things that need to be worked on. Why not make a compromise and allow a remap of skills, with some strict limitations, and add something to the game that is usable by anyone. A big mistake the majority of new players make and what I made many times is spreading skill points all over the place. If you want to keep people interested, I assure you that people like to try various things at first, then later decide on what they really want to do, and then regret completely unfocused skills all over the place. They very well get disheartened, and then either quit, or make a new character and try to focus skills better, or buy a character. Most often I believe that people get disheartened and unsubscribe.

You must be missing some pages of thread and I understand why.
Dev blog
Quote:
We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point.

Many people who against this idea are whining about that consequences are not important anymore but it is not the case.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4742 - 2015-10-24 13:42:06 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
But bazaar toons are behind a paywall are they not, so to come back to Players or CCP.


no, you don't have to pay any real life cash to obtain a character from the bazaar.


So an newbro Just finds the isk to pay for a 80 mill sp character then, Point me in the direction of this isk cashpoint its a feature ive not come across, seeing as your advocating that 80 is about right to access everything in game.

Still does not explain players over CCP.


yes, that is the alternative. a thing many players do.


So you just go back to dodging questions, you have no valid reason, and again its still does not answer why players over CCP?

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4743 - 2015-10-24 13:46:03 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
But bazaar toons are behind a paywall are they not, so to come back to Players or CCP.


no, you don't have to pay any real life cash to obtain a character from the bazaar.


So an newbro Just finds the isk to pay for a 80 mill sp character then, Point me in the direction of this isk cashpoint its a feature ive not come across, seeing as your advocating that 80 is about right to access everything in game.

Still does not explain players over CCP.


yes, that is the alternative. a thing many players do.


So you just go back to dodging questions, you have no valid reason, and again its still does not answer why players over CCP?


are you genuinely illiterate?

i didn't dodge your question. you asked if they were meant to just obtain the isk to purchase a character; i said they do. i said that's already what they do do.

honestly, learn to read. the only reason this thread is this long is because people have to explain things to you again and again because you simply do not understand english. i'm aware it's probably not your first language however you're not contributing anything to the discussion when you cannot understand that which is being discussed.
Eli Depran
Doomheim
#4744 - 2015-10-24 13:47:19 UTC
Dev blog
Quote:
We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point.



Agreed, but what I mean by strict limitations, would be something similar to attribute remaps, not something that can be done rapidly.
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4745 - 2015-10-24 13:48:23 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Dror wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
But bazaar toons are behind a paywall are they not, so to come back to Players or CCP.


no, you don't have to pay any real life cash to obtain a character from the bazaar.

There's money paid, both for that SP and the transfer.

Also, time is money.

Dror wrote:
Protip: the demographic that enjoys paying the equivalent of hundreds of dollars just to enjoy an MMO is a tiny minority.


where, in the process of buying a character or buying sp under the new system, do i need to pay any real life money?

..About the point that doing repetitive things for making some 10B becomes uninteresting.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Dave stark
#4746 - 2015-10-24 13:51:00 UTC
Dror wrote:
..About the point that doing repetitive things for making some 10B becomes uninteresting.


so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4747 - 2015-10-24 13:53:31 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
i didn't dodge your question. you asked if they were meant to just obtain the isk to purchase a character; i said they do. i said that's already what they do do..

From where ???

Dave Stark wrote:
honestly, learn to read. the only reason this thread is this long is because people have to explain things to you again and again because you simply do not understand english. i'm aware it's probably not your first language however you're not contributing anything to the discussion when you cannot understand that which is being discussed.

I dont see anything about Player over CCP

Sorry your fogged glasses are blinding you to the questions you have still yet to answer.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4748 - 2015-10-24 13:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Eli Depran wrote:
Dev blog
Quote:
We want to make sure training decisions are still very important and that rapid respeccing of skills is not an efficient choice at any point.

Agreed, but what I mean by strict limitations, would be something similar to attribute remaps, not something that can be done rapidly.

Maybe because attribute remaping is a thing what already exist and it doesn't help much?

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4749 - 2015-10-24 13:54:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Levi Belvar
Dave Stark wrote:
so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.

Really ???

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4750 - 2015-10-24 13:57:41 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.

Really ???

yes.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#4751 - 2015-10-24 14:04:10 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Vahligmarr wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


the character bazaar is one of the best things eve has for new players - i'll paraphrase the mittani "a new player can level up to the level of their intelligence as soon as they start the game" ~ that is from the meta show at the end of September when he had sort dragon on as a guest and they were discussing the new SP boost for new characters.
why are we hiding such a feature away from the people who benefit from it most?


If you really think, one of the best things for Beginners in EvE, is the ability to buy a high level character on the bazaar, then something with the game is completely wrong.


if i think new players being able to get in to aspects of the game that they enjoy instantly is good for the game then the game is wrong?

right... ok...


I think it is actually great thing. Pity that we cannot expect many of them to do it from the start as not many will spend cash to buy plexes in order to get on the "enjoyable and fun" stage of the game without being sure they want to commit to it.

And those which get to the point that they can make billions will either buy higher sp chars of the bazaar or get used to be patient. I doubt many of those who want to speed up fun will like diminishing returns as they will not 5mil sp enough probably :D

You work today as well Dave?

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4752 - 2015-10-24 14:04:12 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.

Really ???

yes.


so this newbro character that has no skills to access any content can either magically find 45 billion isk or they go to CCP and buy the plex to swap to isk to buy the character.

So thats your definition of not being behind a paywall?

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4753 - 2015-10-24 14:07:33 UTC
Don ZOLA wrote:
You work today as well Dave?


No rest for the wicked.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#4754 - 2015-10-24 14:08:30 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
You work today as well Dave?


No rest for the wicked.


No comment on first part of my comment? Roll

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Dave stark
#4755 - 2015-10-24 14:08:33 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.

Really ???

yes.


so this newbro character that has no skills to access any content can either magically find 45 billion isk or they go to CCP and buy the plex to swap to isk to buy the character.

So thats your definition of not being behind a paywall?


paywalls aren't related to player income.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4756 - 2015-10-24 14:11:37 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so we've established that buying characters isn't behind a paywall, fantastic.

Really ???

yes.


so this newbro character that has no skills to access any content can either magically find 45 billion isk or they go to CCP and buy the plex to swap to isk to buy the character.

So thats your definition of not being behind a paywall?


paywalls aren't related to player income.

They have no income theyre new - You lot have just spent the last 150 pages saying that new player need equality because theyre so restricted on content. Make your mind up.

Still does answer players over CCP either.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4757 - 2015-10-24 14:12:42 UTC
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
You work today as well Dave?


No rest for the wicked.


No comment on first part of my comment? Roll


if you didn't shut up after the first time some one pointed out you were wrong like 100 pages ago. what difference will it make me telling you how wrong you are?

at least the other guy has the excuse of not understanding english very well.
Dave stark
#4758 - 2015-10-24 14:14:43 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
They have no income theyre new - You lot have just spent the last 150 pages saying that new player need equality because theyre so restricted on content. Make your mind up.

Still does answer players over CCP either.


i recommend you watch the meta show from the end of september - the leader of goonswarm explains very easily how players who have just started the game can get enough isk to purchase a character from the bazaar.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4759 - 2015-10-24 14:18:09 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
They have no income theyre new - You lot have just spent the last 150 pages saying that new player need equality because theyre so restricted on content. Make your mind up.

Still does answer players over CCP either.


i recommend you watch the meta show from the end of september - the leader of goonswarm explains very easily how players who have just started the game can get enough isk to purchase a character from the bazaar.

Now back to pointless quotes and again no answer to players over CCP.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4760 - 2015-10-24 14:20:05 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
You work today as well Dave?


No rest for the wicked.


No comment on first part of my comment? Roll


if you didn't shut up after the first time some one pointed out you were wrong like 100 pages ago. what difference will it make me telling you how wrong you are?

at least the other guy has the excuse of not understanding english very well.


Dror the guy comparing EvE to wow, runescape and everquest stirling examples and had a truck drove through his arguement.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”