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Does this not rather suggest that CCP need to revamp the ingame forum site?

Is it possible to use reddit any more than your useing eve-o atm?

Actually it is one more sign which shows where EVE is going if CCP employees discuss more on reddit than here. They should fix this one then, either make same outlay as reddit or find some other solution...

You can earn ISK in many ways, you can only gain SP personally with time.

Only if they are there. This is a key facet you're all (probably deliberately) missing. There is a finite supply. Furthermore the bazaar cannot react to a balance or meta shift instantly. Toons take time to grow, overall SP gain is tempered by the existing stats limiting how fast it can be grown because the core skills are off map from the ship and weapon skills, for example. If tomorrow suddenly maels were the go-to line ship, there wouldn't be a flood of those perfect pilots on the market overnight, it would take time.

These packs though, allow focused min/maxing to harvest the most SP possible on a single map and dump it elsewhere, they also mean that large blocs could react instantly to a new meta, if they so they choose.

Today, there's absolutely no way possible for me or anyone else to roll up to the bazaar and walk out with 50 sabre pilots tomorrow. Once this goes live, I can spit them out this afternoon, never mind tomorrow.

And don't give me cost, large blocs reimburse caps and supers, if you think they can't and won't spring a couple of hundred billion to hit the ground running on a new meta, well then you must be new here. Further undermining the cost argument is the "newbie tool" fallacy - and if it's not affordable for newbies, what's the goddamned point of all this.

If a newbie can afford it, people like me and others can afford to burn them for funsies.


edit: Oh and Dave, reddit is just an echo chamber for this, there's a serious and dedicated downvote campaign if any dares speak against it.

You mean purchase char from the bazaar? As you cannot buy sp at the moment silly :)

First i do not support this idea at all, as probably most ppl already covered all parts of what it brings with it in negative effects towards other players.

"One guy beeing happy about Command Ship V" ... the other one "just bought it 5 min ago" ...

In case it will be placed, i would suggest an alternative ... something like "trying to extract SP from your toon results in a chance-based success". Best would be like the chance of getting an escalation out of one of the HS Combat sites into DED sites, or even better the chance to get a faction spawn, after grinding ore belts".

If only every 20th SP extraction try with reduced outcome ofc, would be successful, you would probably rip a 100M SP char for getting like 1M SP out. They would probably worth like 20B ISK ... but i doubt ppl will invest alot to push their skills. I still don't support the idea ... but in worst case, if it gets implemented, it should be that ineffective, that only 5% of all players even consider doing it, and from those 5% maybe 2% are really going for it.

I know you can buy alts, and i know tons of ppl who bought chars to have something ready. But mostly those are ppl, that already know how painful skilling can be and how happy you are and thankful for many months of patience to finally fly a ship you wanted for so long. And mostly those alts that are bought, are actually JF-alts, Industrial alts, or things ... that only come online once a day for 5min.

But if you would implement a system, that undermines ppl's willingness and patience to invest days, weeks, months and years to get finally into a ship, so thatt would result in like having birthday and christmas at one day ... by giving other ppl the opportunity to push their toons in exactly those ships in minutes .... that would be such a punsh into everyones face, that many people will probably stop playing as the ONLY big value ... "TIME" became totally meaningless in this game.


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Of course you did. I never said eve is dying because of people using other places to discuss the game. Read my post again. Beside that you twistied every comment possible to twist in previous 200+ pages...

I agree, redit falls into the trap of a lot of social media. You don't get any or much intelligent debate, but instead it turns into an echo chamber in which anyone who doesn't toe the line gets downvoted and shouted down.

Also I find redit to be comprised of mainly of what seems like entitled 12 year olds.

And the big thing of course is that they are not all active subscribers wheras in the eve forums they are.

he started his post with "The problem I see with TSP being used in rental", so clearly he was speaking about the hypothetical where this is already in the game.

as to where you can buy 300m SP; here