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We don't need skill at all then. They are arfitificial barriers that prevent us from doing things in game that have subscription. Now CCP want to charge us for speeding up training for something we don't need. Because it the end they won't matter. I can beat week old player that bought character on market/paid for SP, because of my experience in the game. Catching up by money won't solve anything, I already have experience that new player don't have, and he can't gain it in week of playing.

What do you mean? I've met quite a few newbies who hated Eve because you couldn't do anything to actively speed up SP and catch up with vets. If SP was buyable, newbies could actively "speed up" their SP by earning ISK and converting it into SP. This option accommodates more playing styles.

PvP is one of many in-game activiies which also requiring SP. But addition SP also could contribute to PvP especially when you joining fleet because they demand spetial fits(doctrine).

There's no valid logical, philosophical, nor design base for saying that a game should remain the way it is because that's how it always was. It's saying nothing about instant gratification, nor the impact of SP. Actually, EVE has a pretty low PCU for sporting a decent fresh character amount.

What neither Dave's nor any other post is addressing is, even if this is somewhat helpful for fresh subs, how it should effect the game's reception.. or why it's being suggested.

or you could just reform the corp and say "what wardec?"

- the system lends itself to massive RMT
- you're a goon alt and expressed a desire to have your fellow Goons "suck at the teet", as you put it, and you "can't wait to set up an SP farm"
- you're stating there 0 isk profits involved
- you're unwilling to disclose the real reason of you sperg posting


All the newbros will be your customers as they want SP more than they need isk.

how, exactly, does it lend itself to RMT? you've lost me there.

no, i've expressed that if ANYONE were to start buying SP packets at above cost price i'd throw as many as i can at them because it's a profitable venture. goons were just the example that were cited by some one else. however, i've pointed out that i won't be doing that because i don't think anyone will be that dumb as to just hand out free isk to people.

yes, i am stating that there are 0 isk profits involved in setting up characters who's only purpose is to generate SP to be sold at a profit.

"you're countering my arguments with facts, stop sperging".

i have no doubt that there will be many customers, however i have even less doubt that there will be even more suppliers.

yes and no; catching up by money usually don't solve anything. but there are exceptions; there are players out there that can learn very fast and the only thing limiting them to beat you is the fact that they just don't have the sps, now they can wait for a few months, of go invest allot of money into a bazar char; with the new option, they can invest a small amount of money and get that hac lvl5 for ex and be on about the same lvl with you;

given the 2 options, invest a large amount of money and buy some 50 mil sp char, or investing a modest amount and buy some 1-2 mil sps to fly your hac/t3 well, which one you consider better?

i see allot of ppl here crying for the "new player". so , it was ok for a new player to pay 40 bil isk for a new char, but it's wrong to pay 400 mil for 500k sps?
"oh but the time we spent training" is a good reason for them while conveniently forgoting to add that when most of them started "vets" where 2-3-4-5 years old, the main doctrines where bcs/bs, and they where able to be in one of those ships in what 3 months?; how about the fact that any pilot was bringing whatever ship he had with t1 guns and so on...

now? vets are 10-11 years old, and main doctrines are hacs/t3/bcs/carriers, how long till a new player can fly all of those? or any of those?
the game we played when we joined it's not the game of today; gameplay evolved how about skilling do this too?

OK. Than I can't unerstand something meaningless.

As somebody else already stated, this speed training will become a necessity not an option... like the learning skills were... CCP removed them, because they added nothing to the game, now they plan to put something similar back in, with the difference, they can charge for it. Learning Skills for Real Money if you like.....

And to be honest, have you ever had a better gaming experience, just by shortpassing things, like buying XPs, Gold, Levels or what ever. Playing a game for a long long time, to reach a goal, far ahead, rewards me.... i am not suffering on the way, i gather expierence....

Right now, we are buying SP already, with subscription time, but only a certain amount per month is possible. Everyone was limited by this rule, rich, poor, veteran, newbie, caldari, gallente, and so on....., in future, if this idea comes true, you can have as much SP as you want, with real money as the only limiting factor.

You are able to buy, ISK (gold) + SP (xp or character levels) in an MMORPG with Real Money... that is true pay to win if you ask me...