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Estavan Andrard and the World Traders Guild

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-19 01:04:38 UTC
Wow.

So, we all have seen the glorious proud to be carebear posts of Estavan here. His mouthy nature earned him a wardec from myself (he claimed they would roll corp, but as of the time the dec went live, its still up and running). He promptly blocks anyone who questions his madness.

Why the thread? Well, look for yourself @ http://worldtradersguild.com/

He decided to write about a half page of inane ravings regarding his opinon of how wardecs are only for "criminals". Let me draw your attention to a particular favorite of mine:
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....Wardec system is like a payment you make in a hospital to take babies from the incubators and throw them at the sewer...


This dude has some seriously misguided opinions on the way the game works, or in fact that it is a game in the first place...

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#2 - 2015-10-19 01:16:58 UTC
I can pay a hospital for what now?
Cyclo Hexanol
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#3 - 2015-10-19 01:22:30 UTC
That honestly sounds like one of the most bad ass ways to describe the profession.

10/10

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Spruillo
Lord Narg Corporation
#4 - 2015-10-19 01:25:17 UTC
THIS WILL B DEALT WITH.

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2015-10-19 05:15:34 UTC
Given the competency level of most highsec dwellers the wardec system is, in practice, a baby seal clubbing license with no bag limit.

But sure, have at it. If he's stupid enough to undock after all this he deserves his fate. Do give us an update if actual shooting occurs. Personally I'd show up outside his station in a battle procurer and challenge him to honorable single combat. Or maybe a nereus...you get the idea.
Paranoid Loyd
#6 - 2015-10-19 13:28:47 UTC
Long live the inquisition!

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#7 - 2015-10-19 14:14:59 UTC
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....Wardec system is like a payment you make in a hospital to take babies from the incubators and throw them at the sewer...
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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2015-10-19 14:44:36 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Given the competency level of most highsec dwellers the wardec system is, in practice, a baby seal clubbing license with no bag limit.

But sure, have at it. If he's stupid enough to undock after all this he deserves his fate. Do give us an update if actual shooting occurs. Personally I'd show up outside his station in a battle procurer and challenge him to honorable single combat. Or maybe a nereus...you get the idea.


I will. I doubt anything actually happens, it was more for the point.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#9 - 2015-10-19 15:14:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
Calling them baby seals is misleading because it implies their youth or lack of maturity is the source of their vulnerability when actually it's a self inflicted lack of knowledge or unwillingness to attempt self defense.

A fish in a barrel shooting licence would be more apt. But even then the competence of both the aggressor and the defender are the factors that affect the difficulty of the war for both parties so it's equally a bear poking license.

Ask anyone without significant highsec pvp experience who declared war on my spy alt exactly how their seal clubbing expedition went for them.

The completely erroneous reputation wars have as being inherently risk-free for the aggressor leads to really fun scenarios like people from lowsec forming highsec pvp corps under the assumption it'll be an awesome slaughter fest with no idea what challenges are involved and instantly getting butt-raped.
Saeger1737
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#10 - 2015-10-20 02:26:49 UTC
I can smell a wardec

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
#11 - 2015-10-20 06:53:49 UTC
You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as:
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As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them.
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it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block.


It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead.

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Cyclo Hexanol
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#12 - 2015-10-25 01:38:16 UTC
Saeger1737 wrote:
I can smell a wardec

Try taking a shower
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Adriel Malakai
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Break-A-Wish Foundation
#13 - 2015-10-25 02:14:13 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead.


To be fair that's not always the case. For example, we're pretty much just finishing off RvB at the moment, after repeatedly beating them into the ground over the past few weeks while their active members have slowly declined. Considering that they literally beat the tar out of the majority of the 'merc coalition' a year or so ago, they're not exactly a soft target.

These jihads are pretty much all we play EVE for anymore. We honestly aren't really sure what we're going to do now, as we've gone after pretty much every pvp group in HS, done a number of null/low/wh deployments, and are pretty much getting to the end of line. Maybe go after Eve Uni next?
Aoife Fraoch
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-10-25 02:38:37 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as:
Quote:
As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them.
Quote:
it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block.


It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead.


I do not totally agree but you do make a good point.

I would argue that in a lot of cases the corps that make themselves soft targets are limited by war decs. Though personally I do not think this is a problem to be fixed by removing or restricting war decs. I think this is an issue that is better solved by giving players a path from NPC corp, to small low investment groups and on to higher risk/rewards corporations.

And yes, I probably do mean something like social groups added mechanically to the game to make purple fleets and other groups more accessible and visible.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2015-10-25 09:20:49 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Long live the inquisition!

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(I will actually kick this up to the Vikings and see if they want in)
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#16 - 2015-10-25 11:27:43 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The completely erroneous reputation wars have as being inherently risk-free for the aggressor leads to really fun scenarios like people from lowsec forming highsec pvp corps under the assumption it'll be an awesome slaughter fest with no idea what challenges are involved and instantly getting butt-raped.




Twisted



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Maybe go after Eve Uni next?



I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following:

Goonswarm

RvB

Chribba

And, of course, the Uni.

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2015-10-25 16:21:33 UTC
Mike Adoulin wrote:


I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following:

Goonswarm



I will never fight goonswarm again. Not because they are good, and not because I like them or dont...

Because 4 hour tidi **** fests are not fun. I literally fell asleep at my keyboard, woke up, and was still alive. Along with everything else on grid.

**** that.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#18 - 2015-10-26 00:00:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Leto Thule wrote:
...He decided to write about a half page of inane ravings.....


The 976 words of utterly inane ravings vomited forth, actually runs to about one and a quarter A4 pages in 12 point type.

Mike Adoulin wrote:

I believe you can't call yourself a l337 hisec pvper until you have decced the following:

Goonswarm

RvB


Sadly, there don't seem to be any hisec wars running against some of the smaller Imperium member alliances. Flew a Viator into Jita the other night and the conspicuous lack of flashy red in local made me sad. Such a pity Gevlon Goblin and the mighty Tora Bushido have fallen out.

I'm sure RvB will gladly welcome any and all war-decs.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#19 - 2015-10-26 04:54:11 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as:
Quote:
As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them.
Quote:
it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block.


It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead.



Looks like it's down to pretty much this.

But many people arrive with "new ideas" that simply get snarked at for a few posts and that's that.

But a whole thread created on it indicates that maybe he's onto something.

As usual, "winning" Eve turns out to be not winning at the game but denying the game to be played. Nothing drives people off more than this. Hopefully the changes in nullsec with save the game and highsec will rot like lowsec, leaving the people who "won" highsec with their ganking and blanket decks nothing but empty space in which to pat themselves on the back.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2015-10-26 05:48:58 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
You do however miss that he's got some pretty good points. Such as:
Quote:
As it is today, there is no reason for small Corporations to seek growth, as that growth is the monster that will devour them.
Quote:
it is a bottle neck of development, granting that people are scattered enough to either remain small, or join an already powerful block.


It's the biggest issue I have with wardecs too, they prevent growth, ensuring that newer and lower skilled players (because that's who hangs out in highsec, whether you're a wardeccer or not) have less options for collaboration. And it's simply because wardeccers don't have to choose between targets and don't gain anything by going after tough targets, so they simply pick a plethora of soft targets instead.



Looks like it's down to pretty much this.

But many people arrive with "new ideas" that simply get snarked at for a few posts and that's that.

But a whole thread created on it indicates that maybe he's onto something.

As usual, "winning" Eve turns out to be not winning at the game but denying the game to be played. Nothing drives people off more than this. Hopefully the changes in nullsec with save the game and highsec will rot like lowsec, leaving the people who "won" highsec with their ganking and blanket decks nothing but empty space in which to pat themselves on the back.


Mate, I started the thread because the dude is toxic and had some depraved opinions of his fellow players (even going so far as to relate gankers to child molesters in another thread.)

I have no illusions that most highsec targets are softer than their lower security zone counterparts, and I'm not going to attempt to justify wardec corps as I have never been seriously committed to wardecs. For me, being part of a carebear corp and having it shut down by mercs STARTED my EVE life. It drove me into lowsec, where I learned how to pvp and met some great peeps. It's a shame that I am in the minority there, and most care bears just "wanna be left alone"...

I guess to each their own, but making RL comparisons to how space pirates in EVE are terrible people IRL because of exploding pixels tells me he needs a break and maybe a shrink.

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