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People sell their time mining or ratting or missioning. So why not sell their time when accumulating SP as well?

Seen this game over many epochs. From beta to launch and in between many extended breaks. You did great things and expanded the horizons of the game in the beginning. Then you had mission creep and expanded your own horizons too far. You tried unsuccessfully to turn EVE into barbie fashion designer and ended up pissing a lot of people off. You really failed to learn anything from it other than you are consistently incompetent with PR and customer service. You squandered the treasure of a niche game with a niche market and ended up with multiple failed projects.

You temporarily began to work on your game again. I came back to what is essentially the Jove seeping into the game, Space Aids, a daft implementation of skins, and now you want to just sell SP straight off. I understand you guys have a problem with retention but this is not the answer. You need to slow down for once and stop yourselves.

My only question is how desperate are you right now? The character bazaar is a well moderated and nuanced way to get the kind of character you want, make it easier whatever but this is not the answer. You are going to massively inflate the cost of characters across the board. You are going to put even more strain on plex and cause further inflation. You are going to introduce a new and highly exploitable farming mechanic.

You are going to allow the ISK rich of eve to create armies of highly trained day old alts that will create chaos everywhere. You are going to allow people with trillions of ISK to grief this game in ways you never want to experience. You are opening this can of worms up when so many of your core concepts are terribly broken still. When you have people like Fozzie who's name is spoken like an expletive by the people I know since I came back.

I don't know if it's your water or all the hipsters and skeletons you hang out with but knock it off.

One or two aspects of this I’d not considered so far at The Nosy Gamer.

Still against it.

I read through a decent amount of this threadanught and saw a few good ideas that do not get into P2W.

First off CCP needs to come clean with what they are intending this to accomplish.
All missions need a task, purpose and an end state.
What is the task and purpose here CCP?

Is it to make new players more competitive with older players?
-Why not have new players start with a bit more SP. Maybe even let them gain some SP through the tutorials so they can put the SP into the skills that they really want. Or increase their training speed with the cerebral enhancers

Is it to make more money for the company?
Raise subscription price...Bring back the EVE store. I want to buy a Caldari Rules the World T-Shirt and a Drake Model that I can hang from my ceiling and a number sticker that says 'my other car is a DRAKE!!!' Replace Drake with all sorts of other ships to make everyone happy. You could even do it with On Demand production to reduce inventory costs.

A few other points to consider speaking as a long time player with lots of SP. I will flat out quit and un sub all of my accounts if magically everyone else can immediately fly everything that I had to spend long years training.
There needs to be a reward or incentive for older players, but that doesn't mean we need to force new players to wait forever to 'play' the game. But, we can certainly split the difference a bit and take out some of the straight time wasting skills or grant them to new players much faster...
Weapon Upgrades and and Advanced Weapon Upgrades, CPU & PowerGrid skills. Even the Structure, Armor and Shield Size skills really don't affect too much and just waste time.

Also the Linear Progression versus logarithmic costs really could be looked at as well.
Increasing Isk Cost for Skill books and reducing the training Rank of skills so there isn't months to train skill level 5 for the higher rank skills could be considered.

This just buying SP no matter the diminishing returns is just Pay to win with another name. If I'm space rich or have a lot of R64 Moons then I can just twink out my friends and pretty soon the bigger richer groups will have everyone flying Supers and Maxed out T3s. So what it might cost them 10-20 Billion Isk to get a new guy all skilled up for their doctrine, but they can afford that. Welcome to (insert Massive Alliance name) here's your (insert Doctrine Ship) and heres your pile of SP to learn on those skills.

Indeed.

Eve's skill system is (was) the main feature that attracted me to eve. Otherwise I would've played WOW for instant uberness.

I'm sure this has already been suggested, but I'm too lazy to read through the threadnought - so, with my apologies, if I'm repeating the obvious:

If the true goal is to encourage new players, by reducing the grind of the SP gap between new & old players, then the much simpler solution is to remove a lot of the core skils - just as the old learning skills were removed several years ago. Everyone - new and old - would now get those skills at level 5.

As for the players who already trained the skills, the SP can be reimbursed to the unallocated pool - again, just as was done previously with the removal of the learning skills.

Simple to implement, already 100% proven to work, and without massive numbers of bittervet unsubs.

EDIT: Incidentally, there are *too* many skills in the game now, anyways. This is another frequent source of complaint by new players.

Removed a post discussing moderation and my genitals. Please leave them out of this discussion.

Not to jump on the bandwagon, but at least thats not a topic explored in here yet

Could quite possibly liven up the discussion quite a bit as it seems to be dying down a little atm.

I personally do not like this idea but, considering the major reasons for it I would rather see this being done in a regulated market. Buy / sell those SP packest only through NPC station services with a fixed price plus Aurum. Or go full speed and sell it OOG for RL cash only - this would avoid market manipulation.