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Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-10-19 21:25:35 UTC
Ok, here is the deal

EVE on SSD is blazing fast, on RAM disk it is 10 times faster.

What changes? MMM, character screen load time SSD 3 seconds, RAM disk 0.8 seconds.

Very smooth space flight, warping and jumping is fast, virtually no load times.

You need 32 GB of RAM or more, which is somewhat more expensive than a single SSD.


EVE cache folder must be placed on the ram disk, it is aprox 15-16 GB for me. It can be done in launcher settings, eve shared cache folder.

I have the new DDR 4, skylake CPU... it is expensive, but fun. DDR 4 memory is overpriced, no reasonably priced 16 GB modules are available yet.

I am sure that RAM DISK is not required to play EVE. But it works.

The next big thing is the M2 SAMSUNG 950 pro SSD, which should arrive in November. It can be a better choice than a RAM disk, with 5 times greater than current SSD performance.

I will get an M2 950 pro for better gameplay and system performance. It will yield a lot more than a video card shopping race.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2015-10-19 21:32:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
So many other bottlenecks and with latency being king, spending any time trying to get Eve to run "faster" seems futile.

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Velarra
#3 - 2015-10-19 21:40:11 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Ok, here is the deal

EVE on SSD is blazing fast, on RAM disk it is 10 times faster.



Confirming Eve on Ramdisk is day & night phenomenal. The only thing you really wait for are server instructions. Otherwise grid just appears when you land.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#4 - 2015-10-19 21:44:38 UTC
Opertone wrote:
Ok, here is the deal

EVE on SSD is blazing fast, on RAM disk it is 10 times faster.

What changes? MMM, character screen load time SSD 3 seconds, RAM disk 0.8 seconds.

Very smooth space flight, warping and jumping is fast, virtually no load times.

You need 32 GB of RAM or more, which is somewhat more expensive than a single SSD.


EVE cache folder must be placed on the ram disk, it is aprox 15-16 GB for me. It can be done in launcher settings, eve shared cache folder.

I have the new DDR 4, skylake CPU... it is expensive, but fun. DDR 4 memory is overpriced, no reasonably priced 16 GB modules are available yet.

I am sure that RAM DISK is not required to play EVE. But it works.

The next big thing is the M2 SAMSUNG 950 pro SSD, which should arrive in November. It can be a better choice than a RAM disk, with 5 times greater than current SSD performance.

I will get an M2 950 pro for better gameplay and system performance. It will yield a lot more than a video card shopping race.



Forget about EVE.

How will it handle Fallout 4? Bethesda is notorious for crap load times, crap frame rates and crap anything else that improves the game experience.

I'm actually dreading firing up the one game over all others that I want to play this year. And that's a bad feeling.

Mr Epeen Cool
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-10-19 22:03:12 UTC
Actually, I am a fan of Bethesda's games too.


a little offtopic insight sorry EVE
And this is the reason why I got my SSD/RAM disk in the first place...

As a matter of fact, Skyrim unmodded runs fairly smooth on most machines, but once you install all graphic mods it becomes slow and sluggish. With graphical mods accounting for 12 - 20 GB of textures repacked loading times are an issue for HDD. I will know how fast it can go somewhere next week I hope.

Fallout can run better on SSDs and even more so on M2 PCIe SSDs. It is resource hungry. MODs will come a year after first release and keep coming.

EVE is great. Play EVE. Hail CCP. And all the ISD.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#6 - 2015-10-19 22:24:05 UTC
Cities Skylines has godawful load times especially with mods and assets, a RAM disk would probably be of benefit there too.

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Velarra
#7 - 2015-10-19 22:25:43 UTC
Mixing NTFS use of Junctions & Ramdisks can be helpful.

As per https://technet.microsoft.com/en-CA/sysinternals/bb896768.aspx
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-10-19 23:48:38 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
So many other bottlenecks and with latency being king, spending any time trying to get Eve to run "faster" seems futile.


I am not sure about that.

Theoretically, if running from a RAM disk means you get in before the next server tick rather than after when aligning/locking/whatever it might make a difference.

No idea how you could test that though.
Yourmoney Mywallet
Doomheim
#9 - 2015-10-19 23:56:19 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Forget about EVE.

How will it handle Fallout 4?

Forget about Fallout 4.

How will it handle Half-Life 3?

Which I am hereby confirming, btw.
Black Panpher
CastleKickers
Rote Kapelle
#10 - 2015-10-19 23:58:29 UTC
My SSD claims that it is at 1% life and dying after only one year. (Yes I had Trim and had turned off auto defrag).
So I have disabled S.M.A.R.T and am pretending I never saw that message.
I hope this works out for me! :<

Also not looking forward to playing Fallout because I am a GSD owner in real life, the feels might be too real!
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#11 - 2015-10-20 04:11:34 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
My SSD claims that it is at 1% life and dying after only one year. (Yes I had Trim and had turned off auto defrag).
So I have disabled S.M.A.R.T and am pretending I never saw that message.
I hope this works out for me! :<

Also not looking forward to playing Fallout because I am a GSD owner in real life, the feels might be too real!


I don't want to alarm you, especially if it is needless, but from what I hear SMART warnings tend to be fairly accurate and ominously trustworthy. I myself had a HHD die on me after 7 faithful years of operation and started seeing those warnings popup a week before it bit the dust. I don't know that much about how SSD's differ from traditional HHD's in terms of half-life if at all, but I wouldn't be so quick to just write that off either. Hope I'm wrong, one year old is quite young for a piece of hardware like that to be on the verge of croaking. Is it under warranty still? Either way, good luck mate.

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Nafensoriel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2015-10-20 04:46:17 UTC
"SSD Life remaining" is fairly accurate.. Its a physical representation of the disks cells.
To simplify the tech basically SSDs have extra "blocks" they save when the blocks currently in use "wear down"(yes they actually decay to uselessness as you write them). When these extra blocks are gone the drive is on EOL. Its maximum size will slowly degrade until it is a non functional lump of silicon.

Gen 1 and Gen 2 SSDs have very short MTBF usually. Dont rely on them as primary drives.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-10-20 04:55:00 UTC
Black Panpher wrote:
My SSD claims that it is at 1% life and dying after only one year. (Yes I had Trim and had turned off auto defrag).
So I have disabled S.M.A.R.T and am pretending I never saw that message.
I hope this works out for me! :<



uh huh

Consider regular backups of any valuable / mission-critical / cannot-be-easily-recovered data.
Opertone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-10-20 19:55:58 UTC
Yeah and

best money for value is hitachi HGST enterprise class HDDs Ultra STAR... they are much noisier, but 10 times more reliable than consumer home hard drives and perform seek faster. I guess they have louder more robust mechanical parts, such as heads and servos.

Seagate makes the worst HDDs ever imaginable. 3 of them failed for me )))

SANDISK makes the best and most reliable SSD and memory cards.

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again
Nafensoriel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2015-10-20 21:31:04 UTC
Seagate has the highest industry failure rates in the western hemisphere. Using some of there drives is more a lottery than anything.

Hitachi has actually upped its game over the last decade. Pretty much anything past the DeathStars(deskstars under IBM) have been decent and steadily improving.
Barakach
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-10-20 22:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Barakach
SMART has a poor false negative rate, but a believable false positive rate. If it thinks it's not doing well, I wouldn't trust it unless you find that it's the wear leveling. Samsung claims something like 1k cycles, but you can really get much more, at your own risk. But if you're getting errors, then stop using the device.

Maybe Eve needs better concurrent IO requests to reduce sensitivity to latency.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2015-10-20 22:54:20 UTC
Yeah back about 7 or 8 years back we lost maybe 5 or 10 Seagate HDD out of every 50 in the first year. That was in desktop client machines with fairly minimal hard disk usage. The Barracudas were particularly horrible.

Of course someone with one or two disks may never notice an issue its only when you have large numbers in service you start to notice. Seagates response was to threaten legal action against anyone that talked about the issue.

The new "Enterprise" SSDs some manufacturers are bringing out actually seem quite reliable by all accounts. The hybrid idea looked interesting (conventional HDD for reliability and capacity with a SSD cache on the front end) but it never took off.