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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#3621 - 2015-10-19 12:02:32 UTC
Rawthorm wrote:
darkchild's corpse wrote:
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D


I'd guess a few thousand given that people only tend to be vocal when they hate something, not when they like something or don't care either way P For every one person in this thread claiming that this feature will be the end of EvE there is quite likely a few people quietly sitting back happy it's going to happen, and a few hundred who don't care enough either way to post about it.

Maybe for controversial features CCP should have an enforced vote happen for each account at next login. For once we'd actually have a reasonable overview of opinion that includes the silent majority.


They already HAVE some sort of vote system in place. It's called the CSM and it seems that all but one of them were against it.
Dave stark
#3622 - 2015-10-19 12:02:58 UTC
Don ZOLA wrote:
Which you did not.


i did, every time.
darkchild's corpse
Rens Nursing Home
#3623 - 2015-10-19 12:03:53 UTC
Rawthorm wrote:
darkchild's corpse wrote:
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D


I'd guess a few thousand given that people only tend to be vocal when they hate something, not when they like something or don't care either way P For every one person in this thread claiming that this feature will be the end of EvE there is quite likely a few people quietly sitting back happy it's going to happen, and a few hundred who don't care enough either way to post about it.

Maybe for controversial features CCP should have an enforced vote happen for each account at next login. For once we'd actually have a reasonable overview of opinion that includes the silent majority.


i know at least 4 ppl who don't like this idea but don't post because they never post. so i guess the part of the community who tends to post in forums in general gives feedback. not only the ones who dislike the idea.
Dave stark
#3624 - 2015-10-19 12:04:04 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


adequately proving my point.


Feel free to explain to us what the point is of all your posting in this thread, from your personal pov.


as i explained before, many times, to find out why you're all so assblasted about ccp improving the way SP is traded.
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#3625 - 2015-10-19 12:05:57 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Which you did not.


i did, every time.


You did reply every single time. Unfortunately by trolling, just making noise ;)

Which is quite different from providing counter arguments and challenging original arguments.

Even now, you have taken just one part of my post and avoided providing meaningful explanation for the rest :D

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know

Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#3626 - 2015-10-19 12:06:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


adequately proving my point.


Feel free to explain to us what the point is of all your posting in this thread, from your personal pov.


as i explained before, many times, to find out why you're all so assblasted about ccp improving the way SP is traded.


Point us to it, I can't find any actual statement of yours where you explain your true reasoning.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#3627 - 2015-10-19 12:06:26 UTC
darkchild's corpse wrote:
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D

Try reddit "Shut up and take my money!" thread. They are thrilled to pay for this. So it's not "if", more "when".
How much time for golden ammo? ( for new players ofc because they can't compete with vets Blink )

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#3628 - 2015-10-19 12:08:03 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


adequately proving my point.


Feel free to explain to us what the point is of all your posting in this thread, from your personal pov.


as i explained before, many times, to find out why you're all so assblasted about ccp improving the way SP is traded.


You have seen it over 100 pages ago. Why keep pushing? :D

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know

darkchild's corpse
Rens Nursing Home
#3629 - 2015-10-19 12:08:43 UTC
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
darkchild's corpse wrote:
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D

Try reddit "Shut up and take my money!" thread. They are thrilled to pay for this. So it's not "if", more "when".
How much time for golden ammo? ( for new players ofc because they can't compete with vets Blink )



i should invest in reddit users :D
best mercs ever \o/
Luscius Uta
#3630 - 2015-10-19 12:08:59 UTC
I just had an amazing idea:

Instead of making skill trading work like proposed in the devblog,
CCP should simply let us convert PLEX into unallocated skill points (I think around 1.5 million SP/PLEX would be a good conversion rate).
It really makes no sense that we couldn't do that alredy, since we can convert PLEX to gametime and gametime equals SP, so why is PLEX not equal SP? Of course, some people will try to convince me it is not the same since normally you have to wait to train up those SP (or someone else had to, if you bought a toon from them), but why not give us a way to skip all that boring slow training? Do people really want to train a bunch of essential skills all over everytime they make a new alt?
Am I being sarcastic? I haven't decided yet.

Workarounds are not bugfixes.

darkchild's corpse
Rens Nursing Home
#3631 - 2015-10-19 12:10:10 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#3632 - 2015-10-19 12:11:14 UTC
It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?

What a troll. Evil
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#3633 - 2015-10-19 12:13:32 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?

What a troll. Evil

Rest of them don't have active subs so they spamming on reddit.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville

Jared Khanar
#3634 - 2015-10-19 12:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jared Khanar
Jeremiah Saken wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:

It's me the only tired of seeing how the thread has devolved into 50% of Dave Stark vs the Universe?

What a troll. Evil

Rest of them don't have active subs so they spamming on reddit.


there are also a lot of voices on reddit AGAINST this - telling people here reddit folks are clearly for this feature is simply not true

Economic Services

trading spacepixels

Maekchu
Doomheim
#3635 - 2015-10-19 12:22:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

Think about it, all those in-active accounts. Plenty of SP. Enough to cover ALOT of active accounts.

Do you even play EVE? Why are you even here? is their no passion? Eve is UNIQUE! lets keep it that way.

Here is my prediction: Skill extraction goes live> People buy SP> Max skills x 500-1000 accounts> Won EVE. Bored, move on.
Rinse + repeat

I honestly, don't think this will be the case.

Let us say people do max out their skills within the first few months this has been implemented (not that I ever think people would do that). People would still continue to do whatever they are doing, just with better skills. I have almost perfect frigate skills, yet I still enjoy frigate PvP. It has not stopped me from playing EvE.

This change is good, because it makes the game less of a Skill Queue Online, and more a game where interacting with players matters. People will have the option to more rapidly get into whatever they wish to do. More players getting through the initial skill barriers, means more people in space doing stuff.

That being said, there is the risk of having new players perceive this as a money grab (similar to mobile games). But I think, if CCP markets the game correctly, they would be able to explain to possible new players, that SP is not what defines your character. It is just a mechanic used to put some barrier of entry to some activities. Instead, it is what you do with your time in space that matters.

Also, CCP really needs to fix the tutorials.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#3636 - 2015-10-19 12:23:32 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
It would not be called a 'sacred cow' if it were uncontroversial. But this is one that needs to be turned into a steak.

Judging from the feedback in this thread it would seem that your stance on the subject is not shared by the majority of people in this thread and would not be too healthy for subscription numbers.

Yes you could just write this all off as idle threats, but if you are in CCPs position would you want to really risk it and be the one who bought a 12 year old game to its knees just so you can implement this?

Everyone realised that jump fatigue and the sov changes needed to be done, and so despite the negative reactions players stuck with CCP as we knew we could not keep the status quo. This on the other hand is much more dangerous as it all to close to Incarna.

I actually think a lot of players have already let micro transactions slip in through the back door in the form of ship SKINs, a feature that nearly everyone had wanted, but somehow CCP cleverly managed to tie it to microtransactions without much of a fuss from the players. It was explained away at the time that it is fine as ship skins are cosmetic items; this idea on the other hand is going to be different as SPs are far from cosmetic.

Rubbish. People won't quit over this. Why would they? It doesn't materially affect your game play if you choose not to participate. I And the feedback on reddit was very different to here, indicating that there is a possibile significant upside.

Don't like microtransactions? Simply don't do them. Buy from the market instead. If this was a "soul-bound" proposal I would be dead against it. But it isn't so I have no problem with it.


You failed as a psychic. I'll be one of the first to run away from this horrid game if this abomination is unleashed into Eve.
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#3637 - 2015-10-19 12:30:18 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Zappity wrote:
It would not be called a 'sacred cow' if it were uncontroversial. But this is one that needs to be turned into a steak.

Judging from the feedback in this thread it would seem that your stance on the subject is not shared by the majority of people in this thread and would not be too healthy for subscription numbers.

Yes you could just write this all off as idle threats, but if you are in CCPs position would you want to really risk it and be the one who bought a 12 year old game to its knees just so you can implement this?

Everyone realised that jump fatigue and the sov changes needed to be done, and so despite the negative reactions players stuck with CCP as we knew we could not keep the status quo. This on the other hand is much more dangerous as it all to close to Incarna.

I actually think a lot of players have already let micro transactions slip in through the back door in the form of ship SKINs, a feature that nearly everyone had wanted, but somehow CCP cleverly managed to tie it to microtransactions without much of a fuss from the players. It was explained away at the time that it is fine as ship skins are cosmetic items; this idea on the other hand is going to be different as SPs are far from cosmetic.

Rubbish. People won't quit over this. Why would they? It doesn't materially affect your game play if you choose not to participate. I And the feedback on reddit was very different to here, indicating that there is a possibile significant upside.

Don't like microtransactions? Simply don't do them. Buy from the market instead. If this was a "soul-bound" proposal I would be dead against it. But it isn't so I have no problem with it.


You failed as a psychic. I'll be one of the first to run away from this horrid game if this abomination is unleashed into Eve.


That's the glory of an MMO, the game will happily keep ticking along with or without you. Do what you got to do, unless there are a thousand others lined up behind you queuing for the exit then it will matter very little to the rest of us or CCP for that matter.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#3638 - 2015-10-19 12:32:55 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
So you persist in not answering a very basic, and quite important, question. Which is all a bit weird given all the effort and spamming you do in this thread.



i've answered it every time you've asked it. you just seem to be illiterate.


No, you haven't.


If it's "the same" as you put it (which it is not, obviously) then you wouldn't care whether or not it would be implemented and while you might have an opinion for or against it wouldn't incite your hilarious **** spamming spin doctoring. The very FACT that you sperg all over this thread proves there's a vested interest somewhere which goes beyond "it's the same so meh who cares".

So again: why do you clown all over this thread, what is your personal motivation? Given how outspoken you are on the subject I'm sure you can explain it to us. Heck you might even convince us!


I told you the reason.

And no he won't!
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#3639 - 2015-10-19 12:34:00 UTC
A serious request, Is there any chance the ISDs could clear out all of the posts made by Dave? We all are aware of his viewpoint, perhaps just leave one of his posts here for historical purposes. It is a drastic move but he has made the thread unreadable for anyone wanting to follow this discussion. It is clear he is simply spamming the thread to shut down all reasonable discussion.
darkchild's corpse
Rens Nursing Home
#3640 - 2015-10-19 12:34:20 UTC
in b4 thread gets closed due to trolling/offtopic/to much feedback that ccp doesn't want to hear \o/