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We need whole system rebalance then, rather putting make up on the corpse. Avatar based system was took from RPG game with attributes and skills, if not working properly it's a point when need close look up and change. All I hear: "you may compete but you need to pay".
Edit: Dave, it's become "Dave personal thread about SP", we all know your opinion about it by now. Do you ever sleep? Take a day off, or week maybe. Yo don't have to quote every answer in this thread.

head outside eve-o and you'll see the myriad of support for this idea - and not from no-name nobodies like me. from people who have been playing for years and have the profile to support that.

With the price of PLEX right now (and it's likely continuing rise ) the margins are pretty tight on selling characters. The prices of characters are not really keeping pace with the cost of the PLEX to make them. So for traders it will be unlikely that they start adding SP packs since it will kill their profit margins even more.

For a personal character at a low SP level adding packs is a reasonable alternative to using the bazaar. But for anything over, say, 10M SP it will be cheaper to buy a premade character.

So while people, maybe a lot of people, will try farming SP for sale, I think it will hit a ceiling pretty quickly. When people have to start lowering the price of SP packs to move them, many will stop farming as it won't be profitable.

Eventually there will be some sort of equilibrium. It may be sooner or later. I don't have enough information to even speculate yet. That's not stopping me from preparing an acct or two for my own farming operation, however.

Mr Epeen

Dave is Zinfandel.

It's worth every keystroke if it annoys people enough to rage-post about it.

Mr Epeen

CCP:

Through the general consencous on the forums, I believe you could do the following options and would get the backing of the community.


A.) Skill Extractors:- Extracts the unwanted SP in a particular skill, i.e, Mining level V. Recieving the SP as Unallocated.

B.) All Skill Extractors and SP used can only be used on the same character you initiated it on.

C.) You do not, can not, buy Skill Extractors on the market and can only purchase through EvE Store. (Profit for CCP) *Obviously open to debate, just thinking of CCP gains as a company.

D.) You sell Skill Extractors in packets, i.e, 5 Skill Extractors for £10 *Example*

E.) You Cap the re-distribution amount per month, i.e. 15,000 Sp. *Stop over abusing the system.


Why do this?:

1.) Re-distributing unwanted skill SP into wanted skills.

2.) Re-distribute SP to enhance your characters profile and attractiveness on the Character Bazaar.

3.) CCP Profit.

Open to scrutiny,

Syn

I think the troll is trying to imply a connection to the former dev CCP Zinfindel.

I saw his corp name and chose to ignore him a few dozen pages ago.

You are quite wrong.
Citate from dev blog

So I reserved judgement until I saw exactly what everyone else has to say, including you Terminus, who seems to be fighting a one man war against all these doom-sayers. Very admirable last stand good sir!

That said, I sympathize with both sides. On one side, the naysayers have something, a very big something that reminds us of Fearless and Incarna (you guys do still remember that, right?) and the riots in Jita (I know you remember that.). And for this, I'd like to say something: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

That is a youtube video for microtransactions, which is what this is, pure and simple. We pay real money for Aurum, to convert it into an item, to allow us to sell SP, which allows us to progress through the game at an accelerated rate. Meaning money = power, because in EVE, time is power. Four things against this:

1. YOU GUYS ARE REFERENCED IN THE VIDEO AT THE VERY START! It's not even thirty seconds in, and the narrator echoes every thought that is going through around 90% of every players head in this forum. Historically, you guys don't do microtransactions. They lead to bad things and EVE is NOT very suitable to them.

2. I don't think you guys think of us as the enemy. You spend way to much time talking and communicating about the game we love to think of us as bad people. And you know what? That is AWESOME. I love EVE, and I have litteraly sunk THOUSANDS of dollars into the game, in both plex and game time. The PLEX system works somewhat well, despite it's microtransaction nature because it makes ISK, which is inevitably destroyed, in vast quantities, every day. That is MTA's done right, and it's a good idea. But it's insanely easy to protect skillpoints, because skillpoints are far more valuable than any amount of ISK. It represents how far a character has come, and how dedicated to the game a player is. And making this move devalues both.

3. Aurum can't be earned in game. This means I have to pay real money to access this. That is just, wrong. In so many ways.

4. You are selling power. Wrong. BAD CCP!

At the end of the day though, this is selling power. And thats the purest definition of pay to win. Time is power in EVE. You want to make it possible for new players to catch up to old players, but you don't want to make it easy. This is just, in my mind, asking for trouble, even with a hard cap or diminishing returns. The video references selling leveling speed, but EVE is different. It's not free to play, which makes time, which you are helping people skip over, way, way, way more valuable. Thats why losing SP is THE number one thing every player avoids doing. Thats why I don't even undock from a station until I have an up to date clone. It's why I stopped flying a T3, even though the skills are limited to the ability and expertise of flying a T3, but there was still a remote possibility that I'd have to go back and waste time retraining a skill I had already trained.

So whats good about this?

1. More players. The ability to jump into more powerful ships just by buying a subscription will bring in more short term revenue, which you guys gotta admit makes it look like you're strapped for cash. I think though that in the long run, you'll loose more players than you gain. There are plenty of other great games out there that I love playing, although EVE is probably the most unique.

2. It helps modernize the bazaar. This one is a bit grey though. There are other ways to do this.

3. It lets me still personalize my character. Name and look. I love this character. I love the name, and I love the look, and I'm not planning on getting rid of him anytime soon. Even so, this is still a grey area. There are ways to offer name and trait changes without risking compromising your game.

4. Min/maxing. It WOULD be awesome to be able to take all my industrial skills I have and turn them into SP to finally start training carriers. But this can be achieved with a respec token.

And thats about it. The risk for this is huge, Terminus. It could, if done wrong, kill this game. And none of us want that. I don't want that, you don't want that, and everyone else doesn't want that (except maybe goonwaffe ;D). To my mind, this entire thing could be far easier if you just offered name changes and respec tokens. This needlessly overcomplicated and DANGEROUS. And I don't think to many people would throw a hissy fit about name and skill respec tokens. Probably the biggest issue is just being able to move skills from one character to another. The time it would take to train characters into ludicrously high SP numbers is reduced with this, and I wouldn't be surprised if players created farms to accellerate skill training beyond what anyone could imagine.

tl;dr A big NO from me. Seriously CCP. Rethink this.

This idea is at its early stages and thus open to change depending on opinions in the community, my idea is exactly that. I am not enforcing or confirming your quote will take place.

Simply putting my idea to the community and CCP.