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I think you may have missed my point there Gully, SPs bought with isk, whether that isk comes from PVE or buying plex with RL cash will affect plex price in different ways and there's no reliable way to predict which outcome will be more popular.

consider the following;

upwards pressure on plex is non-optional when creating TSPs
downwards pressure on plex is completely optional when consuming TSPs.

we know there's a very large demand for character transfers, and thus TSPs. unless TSPs are hilariously cheap, demand for TSPs would have to be hilariously high to offset the upwards pressure from creating TSPs, and then it would have to subsequently offset EVERY SINGLE OTHER REASON why Plex prices keep rising to see a fall in plex prices.

not being funny but also - most large organisations in eve can afford to replace their line members ships. take a t2 logi ship for example. 135m for the hull alone in jita. they replace that on a whim. do you really think they won't shower new players with TSPs when they start so they can sit in more useful ships when we know that TSPs will only be around the 300m mark? that kind of purchasing certainly offers no downwards pressure on plex prices.

As a person who helps run a new player focused alliance, this is a great idea albeit in need of some number tweaking and make some provisions to prevent abuse. Overall a solid plan to help new players catch up to veterans in terms of skillpoints.

As many have said, this sounds like a bad joke and I can't believe the CSM isn't fighting this loudly and publicly. Any CSM that hasn't come out against this already is not going to get my vote next election.

I am against character sales and anyone who buys characters is just looking for an easy win and doesn't actually like the game for what it is. They are second class citizens and CCP should not promote it or any other form of payment for skill points. If they are in need of money then they should raise the subscription price because I'd rather pay more and know my skill points are worth something.

Skill points are a reward for loyalty to the game and now CCP wants to cash in on the loyalty or lack of loyalty of some players.

Except, support can be purchased, whether through alts or thorugh corps and alliances.

Just criticizing the newbie demographic and their slightly-reduced barrier to entry is shallow. There's a whole majority of the game that can make much more than newbies and supply their SP requirements, whether alts or recruits, for very specific roles and placements.

You're still not defining P2W, nor really investing in the ideas that come from and are prevented by SP. That's what's relevant for if newbies are any more interested in the game. They still can't be really efficient for the multiple roles that are included with this RPG, and if that's why they come (the depth of the game), even this really gate stream of improvement still has to be more interesting than all of the other games, especially which are free.

I am expecting them to be quite cheap. consider you can move an unlimited number of SP for 2 plex with the bazaar at the moment.

we know "most" characters traded on the bazzar are under 50m SP. (thank you ccp terminus). so let's call that the average for arguments's sake.

so for 50m sp, that's 100 TSPs of SP, it'll cost you 2 plex to transfer it. keeping that ratio, it's 50 extractors per plex.

that's a lot of extractors per plex. that's 24m each. that's going to be just under 10% of the "production cost" of the SP needed to create a TSP.

any higher than that price and there's no way to defend the accusation "ccp are just out to grab money" because they're intentionally increasing the price to transfer SP. (that's before we even consider the diminishing returns).

so i'm expecting them to be somewhere between 5-10% of the cost of a TSP.

however BIG ASS DISCLAIMER - THESE NUMBERS ARE PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR.

Thanks. It's a bit off topic, but I was in a worm hole the next day after doing the exploration career mission as a total newbie. It was a very quiet wormhole, and I got chased off only by NPCs.

I think a pure worm hole explorer (dipping in and out from high sec) would kind of work with a T1 frigate, but you would still have to train Arch and Hack to at least IV - preferably V, to get T2 data/relic analysers. You need better virus strength and coherence to crack the difficult sites consistently...

But as explorer I don't want to just do the worm holes. To a large extent I want to use the worm holes as safe gate to null and low sec. And if you want to travel null and low sec for any length of time, sitting in a T1 explorer frigate (filled with all the loot you have gathered) is basically suicide. I also think of future "stealth combat" roles I might want to play in a corp, perhaps scouting or covert cyno or stealth bomber PVP... To get the necessary experience with this, you actually want to roam widely as cov ops, not just "explore and run back to high sec". And if you want to play around with combat probes, then it will be difficult to fit the expanded launcher with T1 frigate CPU.


One of the reasons why I am training for a T2 cov ops rather than an Astero is the price point. I expect I can get a T2 cov ops for about 30M ISK, including decent but cheap fittings. I can die 2-3 times more often in that than in an Astero at the same cost.

One problem is that one needs scan strength at about 110 for the sleeper sites (I can get limited ones with 105, but not the better kinds). Buying SoE launchers helps, but bumps up the cost massively... The alternative is once more skill training: getting Cov Ops and Astrometrics to V gives 75 bonus...

Sugar blogged she doesn't like it as well.

Now that we agree on the Pay to Win thing lets agree, that with plex, making isk in EvE also very trivial... BTW i started playing EvE in 2003, i also played in the beta...

Also EvE is not a skill point grinding game at all, its a isk grinding game. Like someone have pointed, sometimes when you wait for a skill and have enough isk you don't have new content until that said skill is up, so a lot, including myself, will simply wait til said skill is up and not play during that time... well not as much.

Skill point trading will be exaclty like plex, shorten wait to to any kind of new content.

Except once again you ignored the fact that a market with an entry level of 1-2 plexes will see a lot of customers that would not consider spending 20 or more plexes on the character bazaar. That market is targeted towards completely different audience. And for everyone following the thread its clear that you ignored this detail deliberately.