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I would also expect several ISK-trillionaires and also the major alliances to actively try to influence the price, either for ISK-gain or (in the alliances case) to cheaply offer SP-packs to their members.

OK, I am still catching up, but you asked nicely.

There have been a few constants in Eve. Real-time for skill training and industry was one of them. Oh you can buy the item/ship and jump ahead but someone played that real time price. Same goes for the Character Bazaar. You may not have paid the time but someone did, with plex or cold hard cash.

So CCP is looking at replacing it and who loses? On the surface? Nobody. We strip older characters or farmed alts and use them to fuel the newer ones. No loss, just out with the old, supercharge the new. But that is the thing.

'Stripping the old' but do you honestly think most of the skill points will go to NEW players? That it will increase retention or just make more alts of the vets? Is an increase in subs really a good thing if a lot of them are brood mares existing only to have their brains harvested on a regular basis . . . full of +5's and never ever undocking into space? Will that give us more content? Or will it just be numbers on some ledger?

Will new players coming in look and see the rich instaboosting themselves into better ships and leaving the normal subscription player behind in the dust? Would you play a game like that where it was obviously a game of haves and have-nots and you were probably one of the have-nots? Or would you pour your own money in and hope it was enough to keep up?

I sit in Rookie Help Chat and listen to new players trying to figure out how to play for free. How to earn that 1.2 bill within 30 days. Those types, will they stay if I tell them that not only is it unlikely but that they will have to pay extra to be decent at the game. If they listen and do pay to be able to fly . . . say an incursion or a null rat ship . . . in the first week then they will be well on the road to playing for free, right? Since increased demand for those elusive PLEX will have no effect on the market.

A lot of people are saying that this is fine since it will not effect them or maybe they can use it to rearrange their own skills, clean up that shameful mining V. I just hope they are very space rich or already used to paying subscriptions. I am in the latter category.

I'll still be here but IF this goes through I will be a bit more bitter and somewhat disappointed with what the game has become.

Pay to win? no, but what about Pay to keep up

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Wow, Dave. You stepping down to Gevlon Goblins and Lucas Kell's categories.... not a compliment though.

Dave Stark

If we strip away anything virtual from the game we have two constants in play, Time and Money

A legacy character is a snapshot in time, whether 12 years ago or 6 months ago even when unsubbed its frozen in time but in no way can it be manipulated. You can add time to it but it can never be reversed. There is no deconstruction of its timeline, It is a part of the ever evolving universe of eve from a conceptual point of origin.

Now comes a fresh approach, you now want to be able to reverse engineer the timeline. You now want to be able to create elite characters from fragments of time. The convergeance of multiple time streams to manipulate this creation at speed.

The legacy approach has a one off monetary payement, the Hybrid need feeding to progress its ever increasing need for time.

it's no more of a cash grab than we already have.

you either buy a character - or you buy SP packets. you won't do both. it's not a new cash grab you're just moving from character transfer revenue to skill extractor/aur revenue.

but i'll always be significantly better looking, i have a beard.



what does the time a character trained a skill matter?

Either you're a Dev alt or someone is offering you something to do this. Which is it?

For a moment of purely academic fun, I tried to pinpoint the difference between new player experience and how new player "perceive" the game. Academic, because we both know that the decision to keep playing comes from how you perceive the game.

Yeah, I got that. But the only point of SP is to get skills, and the only point of skills is to do stuff and do it better.

The rapidly increasing lvl I-II-III-IV-V SP requirements compared to the linear benefits that each level gives already reach the practical result you're suggesting: newbros getting closer to vets faster, in terms of what they can fly and skill-related bonuses.

i have been following the thread.

if you're talking about the point you made pages ago about there being no limit, i suggest YOU follow the thread as i addressed it twice since you failed to read it the first time.