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I initially was in the 'CCP is greedy' crowd.

After some thought, I realize that CCP is also taking some risk with this thing.

Today, not losing out on SP was an incentive to not unsub accounts you're not using so much.

Tomorrow, you could just unsub and then resub and use skill packets if necessary.

Those skill packets will at least partially come from draining unnecessary SP from accounts that ALREADY paid their subs years ago.

So in conclusion, CCP risks a loss of revenue vs. today if they don't make some money out of this.


Another example of this. I'm currently training Minmatar Dread V on an alt that I may not actually use for some time because RL. I could drain the necessary SP out of other alts and attain that skill immediately on that alt while mothballing him 1 month earlier.


In other words, making SP accumulation much more flexible comes with a risk of losing subscription months for CCP.

I bought my first character when i was at 4mil sp, jumped to 42mil sp, was always my intention to buy a character as soon as i heard about the bazaar, but only once i would buy a main character, buying that character made me relevant in fleets and i had much more fun with 42mil sp than i did with 4mil sp, it didnt make me that much better at the game but it certainly made one hell of a difference.

I really dont see much of an issue with this as my now highish sp doesnt really matter to me anymore, i dont really even bother looking at my skills unless the fc's decide on a new doctrine which i cant already fly but i feel much better about having to invest little to no time training skills to get that ship.

Sometimes a small boost in skills really makes the game so much more enjoyable

While I'm against the proposal as it currently stands, there's not enough information available yet for me to utterly condemn it.

I think that CCP deliberately posted a vague summary of something they knew would be controversial in order to gain as much feedback as possible, both extreme arguments for and against and otherwise. The proposal will change, it will be tweaked and it will be republished. Alternatively they could don their $70 monocles and $1000 pants, ignore all feedback, then release something hideously out of whack that produces SP out of thin air (this doesn't appear to be the case) just to spite us.

If it's aimed at retaining newer players I think that the dev time would be better spent further revising the NPE which is biased towards pushing new players towards stagnant "levelling up their Raven" style content", which they know is poor for retention; rather than the more dynamic player driven stuff which keeps them here. It doesn't do enough to encourage newbies to seek out other players, instead it leads them into a solo playstyle without explaining A: the nature of the game and B: giving them an idea of the number of options that are available to them.

Until more detail emerges I'm still going with my initial stance of hell no. I've always said I'd drop my account if anything that smacked of PLEX for SP came to be and in its current state the proposal does somewhat smack of it. My initial thoughts were to do exactly that, but after reading the arguments for and against, listening to the discussion on various twitch broadcasts etc, and some consideration, I've delayed that decision to see how this plays out.

TL;DR If they're going ahead with this then CCP needs to get this right, it's a risky move given past events like the misbegotten abortion of an idea that became Incarna.

how much game time did you pay for in advance if your account is still active after the introduction of the characer bazaar?

Be nice if an ISD could give you two your own thread so we could see what the rest of the playerbase think without wading through pages and pages of your tedious spamming

Good to know and Thank you. D3 was the one game I kept my eye on but never had the time to get into.....until now. I'll check it out.

so, buying and selling SP has never bothered you and you're just blowing hot air?

aside from y'know, the bit where my income is completely unrelated to this idea.

Question you lot got to ask yourself is this isnt aimed at new players at all. If that was the case then they would have capped skill point injection to say 40million sp character, After 40million sp the skill packets no longer work. 40 mil sp i think is perfect to do alot of activities. I mean you guys seriously think new players long term would be able to afford buying skillpoints this way ??? You think their wont be some market manipulation or some very rich avatars in game that earn bils a month will use their isk to buy these?

This is purely a money grab from ccp and to kill isk, plexs,skillpoints in game.

You know when i started in 2006 i couldn't jump into a ship which does 350 to 400+dps in like 3 or 4 days that being a gila. Granted it wont run lvl 4 missions but it works good for lvl 3 missions and angel and gus anomalies, i know because im useing it on an old production alts with no sp in combat skills or lvl 5 basic skills.

So you could argue they need the sp because they need to get into x ship for a certain alliance doctrine. Well any decent alliance will also have set-ups for newish players. Look at some of the stats on the ships these days compared to 2006 you know the t1 cruisers and frigates. Even i use these ships these days even though i have well over 100mil sp because quite simply their alot more cost effective then t2.

If this so called new player retention is so bad after you introduced the above ships over the last two years could it be that these new players get bored because quite simply you messed the game up where 0.0 is safer then empire. Industry a noob can built t2 ships with hardly any skills. I mean these guys literately already got a hundreads more options then i ever had when i started. All i bloody had when i started was a poorly fitted brutix and belt ratting for a few months when i was training learning skills up in ore regions.

Neither of you have said anything new for the last 100 pages or so, but I apologise, don't let me stop you.