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Well said.

I vote NO, NEVER, CEASE AND DESIST!
Do not do this CCP.

Pretty much agree if a tad overstated in a few places (instaboosting? but I get your point older more established players will just use this to secure their position in the hierarchy).

And you are right about the cost of PLEX if anything this will increase the demand in game meaning higher prices. I doubt supply is going to increase (i.e., shift outwards, as in increase at all prices) much and if players leave the game it may even decrease. PLEX prices of 1.5 billion isk? I.7 billion...2 billion?

Implementing the proposed feature is a bad idea, for the reasons below.

First, this will take away one of the main reasons why I chose to play EVE. I started playing EVE since Odyssey expansion, as the news of a successful decade caught my attention. Most of the games I was playing at the time had some pay to win aspect, but EVE was just perfect - neither grind nor dumping extra cash could make you better in game. Your decisions mattered, and if you made the wrong choices you were lucky if you could fix it with time. It was a sandbox as it should be. Ability to train desired skills instantly and to re-specialize skill allocation reduce the meaning of decisions.

Second, buying and selling entire characters is not the same as buying and selling ONLY the skills of those characters. Players don't inhabit eve universe, their characters do. As characters interact with each and the universe they write irreversible fingerprint of their actions into their history, some they may be proud of some the other way around. If one chose to abandon a character, all the training time put in and the skill points that come with would be abandoned as well. Price of scamming, backstabbing and losing trust was high, until the ability to transfer most of the skills into a character with a blank history.

Third, by the A || B and B || C then A || C rule, the scheme of this feature is equivalent to "pay to win" or pay to train fast. Aurum is used to obtain Skill extractors, witch create Skill Packets using player skill points. Skill packets can be traded for Isk (in game currency) and can be applied to another character. It is because Aurum is obtained using out of game monetary units, act purchasing and using skill packets to train up faster than real time is equivalent to paying to train up faster, or rather instantly in this scheme.

Finally, how does this feature actually affect me and like minded players? This feature, while not being a proper equivalent of character bazaar, brings eve closer to other Pay to Win games. I will not mention any specific titles, but the years surrounding 2015 are the times with more than one contender for Space MMO genre. I believe majority of players prefer a game where you cannot level up skills of your character instantly, not to mention later transfer it to a brand new name - using cash.

Dear CCP, please do not implement this feature into the game. Yes it may remove the need for character bazaar, but it brings many drawbacks with it. If the unknown character history may bring unpleasant experience to the new owner, how about a different solution. Perhaps in form of encouraging to background check characters on sale, or even making a CCP and/or community provided tool for the task mentioned.

Thank you.

Not only that but it's also a first step into more changes, if CCP can dream up this monstrosity I wouldn't put it past them to, down the line once the mechanics are in place and we're kinda used to it, implement stuff that gets closer and closer to pure p2w.

We're back in 2011, CCP is about to do something stupid and I/we are asking them to tell us that they're NOT going to do p2w and just as then they won't answer, they can't, because it is OBVIOUS that this initial step has future p2w changes in mind. And just as back then I lost trust in CCP, I don't trust them anymore to make the right decisions because even simply voicing this idea and getting it to a point where it's actually thought out and presented to the public is already so wrong it's frightening.

CCP has done so well the past few years, making up for 2008-2011, lots if positive and long term stuff. And then they drop this bomb on us.

and they have to with the new system, too.


i'm sorry but no. making a character before me and keeping an active subscription isn't "investing years of time effort ad money" it's simply knowing about the game before i did. it's like pretending you being 5 years older than me is somehow an achievement. also that's level of "achievement" (******* lol), is still retained. your character's DOB will adequately demonstrate that you started the game before me. you don't need more SP than me to show that.



this system makes it hilariously easy for people like that to do it for free - they are one of the people who benefit from this system the most. suggesting they're the ones most likely to quit is something i find amusing and absurd at the same time.



1% of the total players? more characters are traded every year than the daily PCU (25550 char trades per year, vs 24k period average since the middle of this year to now). there's a HUGE market for buying and selling whole characters. do you really think this less obstructed system is going to see a reduction in the capsuleer cattle market? really?

what fundamentals? you've always paid ccp to skip the skill grind and buy/sell SP.

a lot of your "arguments" seem to be made up "what if" scenarios based on wild fantasies. i must be honest.

Seems that only the char traders support this bad joke constructed by CCP. It's a pity that you char traders lost the ability to see the value a player has in the personalize creation of his/her char. I bought only one char from Char Bazaar at the cost of another and I regret it because the bought char clearly isn't the same as the ones I personally created & trained from the ground up with the cost of TIME. Time is the one thing that you can't purchase in RL and that especially is what make EVE special. You take that away then Eve would lose the force which keeps it alive and just becomes an empty husk of a game.

and just like that - you're wrong from the start. i'm not a character trader.

your personal regrets are irrelevant. ships are a disposable tool, we build them and break them daily. pilots are no different. ships are a tool to achieve a goal. pilots are a tool to achieve a goal.

if you have a sentimental attachment to your pilot - that's cool. however, you being a sentimental sally is completely irrelevant to the discussion.

we've literally been buying and selling time in eve for ages - plex, the character bazaar, now this. pretending eve would lose it's life force because we're introducing something we already have (do we really have to keep pointing out that we've always been able to buy/sell SP?) is just hilarious.

if buying/selling SP were going to kill eve, it would have done so when the bazaar opened. clearly, eve has not died.

Okay, I've said what I had to say regarding this. If it goes through, I move on to something else. Like minded people like you would all that'll be left in Eve. Enjoy your SP Farmers Online Eve!

ok guys.

i just mailed this directly to mike, but sit the **** down and listen to this.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3p78oo/good_point_for_sp_packets/

this reddit post basically said "instead of being a risk averse pussy i'm going to pvp my heart out and replace the lost SP from not haivng +5s with skill packets).

I pointed out at 80m SP that'll cost you 2bn per month.

now, here's where **** gets interesting.


attributes suck, and learning implants suck more. yes?

the guy on reddit says "Just make the extractors LP store items to replace learning implants. Two birds, one stone."
you're not paying real cash for this any more. that's good, right?

now, let's add a cooldown to this ****. hell, even give it diminishing returns if you want to allow new players to "close the gap" with older players.

Here's what we end up with.

1) A system that doesn't cost any one a penny of RL currency. (unless they choose to go plex > isk > sp. but that's optional)
2) a solution to the "learning implant problem".
3) SP injection on demand.
4) nobody training faster than they would currently.
5) probably a load of other stuff.

now, i've just woken up so this could be completely dreadful. feel free to tear it apart.

If players are postive to the change, and it seems they are, it will be introduced. I don't think it will be large change for new players. Someone must be really interested to the game to spend large chunk of money to "catch up with vets". If for example, Dave Stark want to get rid off his mining V it won't affect my gameplay at all. CCP found new way to earn money. We see EvE as game, they as job. Skill trading will destroy avatar based training system? So what? Nothing is set in stone. People are willing to pay for the service so CCP open this gate for them. Will it change the game significantly? I don't think so. Will it change the way I perceive CCP and the game? Definitely. I won't be as much attached to it. This is first step to destroy fundaments of the game.

Ps. D3 is good, it's getting better with every patch.