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[December] Navy EWar Frigates

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TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#101 - 2015-10-16 22:19:14 UTC
Danmal wrote:
Assault frigates. GOOD GOD THINK OF THE ASSAULT FRIGATES.

New T1 frigs are interesting for newbros, of which you urgently need to get a lot to subscribe to make up for likely recent losses in the subscriber base (judging by the ACU). But from a balance point of view, there would be more urgent issues than the tireless introduction of new ship classes.


just pretend assault frigates don't exist, then it's ok.
ViolentDesire
78934223
#102 - 2015-10-16 22:21:29 UTC
ECM needs to be fixed before adding more of it. I havent seen a single comment anywhere even implying there needs to be more ECM in the game. No idea why these ships are added.
Callduron
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#103 - 2015-10-16 22:29:12 UTC
I love to do frigate combat in Novice Plexes so for me these are an absolute dream!

Looking forward to my blaster griffin, my anti-farmer maulus, my double tracking disruptor cruci and my kitey rocket vigil.

Can't wait for these, take my LP!

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Shirocc
Sneaked In
The Initiative.
#104 - 2015-10-16 22:55:14 UTC
I think the Maulus needs a nerf :D 4 drones and a +5% bonus should fit better, tristan is allready cancer and we dont need a 15km cancer frig to our 24 km cancer frig sorry :/ maybe a +5% range bonus too...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#105 - 2015-10-16 22:58:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Lobster Bisque wrote:
I like these at first glance, but I'm a little confused about the Vigil's bonuses. Does it make sense to pair a web range bonus with an explosion velocity bonus? If something's webbed explosion velocity won't help application much.

Is there something I'm missing here? I guess it would be helpful for LML kiting fits.

Well it'll be nice to have at least one ship with this. That way there's a way to beat a 10MN AB-kiting Dramiel that's using a missile disruptor without having more than one ship. Otherwise, I don't quite see the use.



Shirocc wrote:
I think the Maulus needs a nerf :D 4 drones and a +5% bonus should fit better, tristan is allready cancer and we dont need a 15km cancer frig to our 24 km cancer frig sorry :/ maybe a +5% range bonus too...

I agree with this. Bring it down to 4/6 drones, and buff the Crucifier to 2/6 drones. Also, the drone tracking bonus puts the Maulus along with the Vigil into anti-interceptor territory. I'm not condoning or condemning, simply pointing it out.

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Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#106 - 2015-10-16 23:37:20 UTC
I don't think eve needs more ships.... Just balance the existing ships and be done with it.

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Davis TetrisKing
The Vendunari
End of Life
#107 - 2015-10-17 00:48:01 UTC
Really like the look of these, should be interesting to see if they change the meta in novice plex's a bit.

Always good to have new stuff to play with.
Lyra Gerie
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2015-10-17 00:50:32 UTC
TrouserDeagle wrote:
man, not more recon bonuses :\

and why do I want +1 scram strength?


To catch FW pilots who load up on warp core stabs to cap plexes or for wormholers trying to catch ventures or other ships with high warp core strength. It's a pretty niche market but it does exist.

TL;DR this is the ship to use if you absolutely positively need to catch another ship and either can't or don't want to drop a bubble.
sytaqe violacea
Choir of morning
#109 - 2015-10-17 00:59:26 UTC
From the FWfrig pilot’s viewpoint,

1 Question : LP Requirement of this ships are equal between FWLPstores and other LPstores?
Without FW discount, they will be too expensive to take a risk of bringing brawler range.

Crucifier Navy Issue
good. I love scram kite crucifier. I have killed a lot of Destroyers with scram kite crucifier, and excited by 42 PWG now.

Griffin Navy Issue
so-so. The problem is "20% bonus to ECM strength". This is same as Kitsune. This ship will need tank, so much less slots for ECM strength than Kitsune. At least 25% bonus is needed to make up for the range penalty.

Maulus Navy Issue
less attractive. ”+1 scramble strength to all Warp Scramblers” is too weak to catch farmers. Why not +2 or 100% bonus?

Vigil Fleet Issue
Is this poorman's cruor? Without range bonus, rocket fit is uncompetitive. Furthermore, 50% web range bonused web is shorter than Loki linked heated web, LM kiting fit will be killed so easily.
Prometheus Exenthal
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2015-10-17 01:07:01 UTC
WHY?

100 flavours and you haven't even got vanilla right

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DO YOUR JOBS, CCP DEVS. FIX THE GAME INSTEAD OF FKING IT
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#111 - 2015-10-17 01:11:31 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:

Let us know what you think!


Vigil Fleet Issue
I am one of the very few current PVP Vigil pilots, so any improvement on the ultimate niche ship is good.... and my preliminary numbers are....wow.

153.15 DPS (116 = 2 x LMLs w/ Explosive + 36.5 drone)
5km web, dissy = 19km OH web range and kiting like a bawss doing 153 DPS. Dis gun be nasty.

It has reasonable fitting latitude given the lower number of midslots - 2 x LML's, MSE, MWD, web, scram, 2 x BCU's and DCU appears fittable. But i really don't know what that spare highslot would, should or even could be used for, given it will most probably be used for web kiting with LML's and can't fit a decent enough buffer to deal with the current drone DPS boat proliferation.

Maulus Navy Issue
There's going to be some very sore DST transports in lowsec and highsec, I can tell. 3 point 14km scrams, zomg. Of course, the next thing we really, really needed in the frigate meta was more of those long range point ships. Add in links, and 20km scram kite is going to be a thing, and we all love the idea of that I am sure. DPS is going to be reasonable given the competing drone meta options, and you can even do a reasonable sentry drone meta with these things given a 50% tracking bonus and Omnidirectional in the midslot.

Griffin Navy Issue
Not sure about this ship. I guess...find something with no drones and sig tank its guns? I don't know that a 100% jam strength bonus on this will get jam strengths of 16-20 or so, which is going to be deadly vs turret and missile-only ships like the Punisher, Rifter, Corax, Svipul etc. if you can get within 9km of them (6.75 optimal + 6.75 falloff). Which is going to be hard due to being slow as pus Caldari. The DPS is also anemic, but i like the cap use bonus, it is going to help you not cap yourself out in seconds. I foresee these sitting on warp-ins in FW plexes and not much else.

Crucifier Navy Issue
The Crucifier never suffered much as a brawling fit before, and this brawling focused variant is just going to make them more of a PITA for turret cruisers and BS they can get the drop on. Not sure why 4 mids and 3 lows - as an AB sig tank it can get away with one scripted TD (or MD), AB + scram. The extra lows might be very necessary for it to mount a decent armour tank, as a 3-slot tank is going to be AAR, DCU and EANM, so about 127 DPS. You'll want to be on top of drones, and hope to hell for no webs, but then actually cracking an any tank is going to be pretty hard with 4 effective turrets. Still, looks interesting.

The pick of the litter is going to be the Maulus, I'm afraid, due to that scram range and strength. Gate camper's must-have.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#112 - 2015-10-17 01:15:27 UTC
Loving that Navy Maulus.

I think this will become the replacement for the Shield Buffer kiting Tristan:

http://puu.sh/kMVfh/28ab52379e.png

Either an extra DDA for more DPS, or a second Nanofiber in the lows, freeing up a rig slot for a third Small Core Defense Field Extender, providing better buffer and higher speed.

Either way will work well I think.

No need for the scram bonus, just kite and work around the higher base mass and lower agility.

Longer targeting range is awesome.

So looking forward to this.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#113 - 2015-10-17 01:31:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
H
-85% penalty to Weapon Disruptor optimal range and falloff
-85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff


Is that an 85% bonus to the range of tracking disruptors and ECM? The wording is unclear to me.

Harvey James wrote:
any chance you will finally take the nerfbat to T3 cruisers in the winter patch? .. its sooo.. long overdue


Keep beating the dead horse. T3Ds are a problem, regular T3s are not.

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#114 - 2015-10-17 01:43:37 UTC
Looks broken as heck. The brawling ships to end all brawling ships.
Damage potential is way, way too high for them. Both the tackle based ewar ships carry bonuses that are more suitable to kiting than brawling.
Maybe giving them some additional staying power would be better than that level of dps.


EWAR/DPS doesn't lead to microgang ( people use specialized ships like keres/ceptors for that support ). It looks like they'll be the plex farming boats of choice.


I'm quite astouned how these numbers were even making a first pass, because from the perspective of someone very active in the ship brackets these fall into I'm neither hyped, nor concerned, I'm massively turned off.

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Iam Widdershins
Project Nemesis
#115 - 2015-10-17 03:17:48 UTC
I was taken aback to see you were giving these new navy ships a full 400 calibration. Is this a typo, or an intentional move?

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2015-10-17 03:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
sytaqe violacea wrote:
Maulus Navy Issue
less attractive. ”+1 scramble strength to all Warp Scramblers” is too weak to catch farmers. Why not +2 or 100% bonus?

You can fit 2 scramblers to get +6 scram strength, that'll stop just about anything.


Iam Widdershins wrote:
I was taken aback to see you were giving these new navy ships a full 400 calibration. Is this a typo, or an intentional move?

It is normal for navy ships to have 400 calibration.

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Midori Tsu
Evolution
Northern Coalition.
#117 - 2015-10-17 03:32:17 UTC
I would really like to hear from the DEVs how they think the ishkur compares to the navy maulus
Ares Desideratus
UNSAFE SPACE
#118 - 2015-10-17 04:12:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Why give the Maulus a full drone bay but not the Crucifier? Crucifier should use drones as its primary weapon type similar to the arbitrator shouldnt it?

Maulus already gets two of the best ewar bonuses, sensor damps, which work on practically everything, + warp scram range, and the crucifier is stuck with tracking disruptors which while good are only good against turrets, why not give it a bonus to neutralizer range or power? Still cool ships tho
Mad Abbat
Talon Swarm
#119 - 2015-10-17 04:22:22 UTC
As it stands now, Crucifier Navy is not needed at all.
May we have neut range bonus on crucifier navy with 5 bonussed small drones flight?
Oreb Wing
Last Rites.
#120 - 2015-10-17 04:28:50 UTC
They are looking good. People shouldn't knock the Cruci, just wait until the missile disruption comes online, then we'll see. Griffin would be a great wing man for two pilot roam. EHP on Maulus drones seems crazy with navy hobs, but hopefully the ship ehp is reasonable. Super web on a missile boat will be interesting. A troll breacher.