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Not really. I do not think he is among 1k of characters that were made of start. Consider there were no skill queue back then, there was no evemon, there was no remap. So it took him years of careful planning of schedule, best attributes usage, changing them on time and in the end paying the subscription to be where he is. His dedication is the reason he is top 1. And if CCP sends message that dedication aint mean anything and you can be #1 in something if you pay up, I think its the wrong message.

Also again the story about consistency, how many top players would quit long time ago if they knew this is coming etc.

i'd like to see the store come back. things like the rifter usb hub in the CE was the only reason i purchased the CE. if i could get cool things like that from CCP i'd gladly throw money their way on top of my monthly subs.

i'd rather that than micro transactions. the current micro transactions we have aren't terrible (just like i don't think this idea is terrible) i just think the price points are way off. especially skins, i think skins are hugely overpriced for what they are. i feel like some one massively ****** up the price elasticity of demand thing there - that or i'm just tight.

is that really the issue then? that this is a paid service rather than free or something? i can understand more if people say "this being a paid service is bullshit" than i can understand "this will break eve and eve will die".

after incarna we all know people are touchy about micro transactions and paid services so it's easy to understand the hate there, but pretending this is going to break the game is just comical.

there isn't an infinite pool of SP for you to draw from, though.

this is the same argument as dual training. yes i can have it all on 1 character/account. however there's a definite value in being able to do it all ~at the same time~ by having a stable of alts.

This is a reply to the OP, not to any of the 99 pages of responses.

I am kind of 50/50 on this proposition. Where I think this idea is going wrong is allowing any skill to be converted into raw SP, that can purchase any other skill. If the SP packets were tied to and could only purchase the skills (or a broader group of skills) that was cannibalized to create the packet, I think I could live with that kind of change.

However, I don't like the idea that these SP packets can allow people to flip to a new meta immediately. Say a new ship class and role is introduced, with new skills as requirements; the day that those ships are introduced via patch/expansion, some people, either ISK rich or RL rich, can have perfect skills within minutes. If skill packets were tied to skills, or a group of skills, then day one of a patch, there would be no SP for those new skills for sale. And that would be OK with me.



The other thing I predict, is character optimization is going to get pushed to new levels. Right now I have my one character, and one alt on another account. That leaves two characters on each account that I never bothered to create because I could only play one at a time, and since the removal of the possibility to lose SP when pods are destroyed, there is no reason whatsoever to not keep training skills to have one character that does it all. Now with SP packets and the diminishing returns, I'd probably rethink my main character and specialize him into a very specific role, or as many as I can fit within 50 million SP. And 50 million SP is the point where the diminishing returns would be too much for me. So instead of having one character with 150 million SP (eventually), I would prefer to have 3 characters with 50 million SP each, each one specialized into categories.

Once I accomplished this, then I would simply alter one or all 3 of my specialized characters to follow the meta, using any SP built up past my 50 million mark as an SP pool for future adjustments. For every alt account, this SP pool just gets bigger, assuming the alts are specialized and also done training for their specialization.

TL;DR: I don't like the idea of being able to instantly shift to new or newly popular skills/ships/whatever. Make the SP packets tied to the skills that were cannibalized, and that would be less of a problem and I wouldn't mind this kind of concept that much.

Now buy each other a beer and shake hands!

The great thing about EVE compared to other MMOs is that you don't need to 'catch up' to anyone.

I`d like eve pen again and some of the posters :)

I have no idea about the costs about the skins, i probably opened aur store when they started it, laughed on it and closed it. Make up does not add anything in game experience to me.

I do not have anything against anything what will really benefit the game. If CCP wants, give every new player 10-20-50 mil sp straight away. I do thing it is wrong approach but if that would be what is needed to keep the game healthy then be it.

I have the problem with introduction of this system which is determined to fail while changing game fundamentals which will cause a lot of unhappy customers, meaning even less players. And I do not think micro transactions are the model which can work properly in eve. It would change the game too much, in the wrong direction.

Your point being...?

A frigate for example, can only utilise a set number of skill points, once you have them you are on a par (skill wise) with someone who started on day one of Eve-Online.

Oh but you do. You can spend real money on PLEX, cash that in for isk and buy a character from the Bazaar. You will now have a 100mil SP character in a matter of hours. Thus you have caught up.

which is pretty much why buying sp won't change anything. buying 50 billion SP won't make you better than the guy with like 30m who has all the frigate related skills trained to V.