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True, this way we would live on the funding of the new player or the ones that want to donate for skillpoints.
This will end well.

No. That is not your training speed. None of that affects how quickly your character acquires SP (other than if you use the SP to buy implants).

If you buy a character from the bazaar, no mechanics are skipped because your character is still acquiring SP at a maximum of 2700 SP/h — same as always. All that's happening is that you are training a different character at that speed than you, personally, did yesterday.

Players do not exist in-game, and are not subject to game mechanics. Their characters are. You are talking about the speed at which a player gains access to a high-SP character, which no game mechanics exist to regulate since we are talking about a player. At most, there is the EULA, but that's nto a game mechanic. What the player can access should not be confused with how quickly a character can gain a high amount of SP, which is something that is regulated by game mechanics since characters exist within the game.

Player — character access — EULA.
Character — SP acquisition — game mechanics.
Do not confuse the two.

The RMT guys will love this if they get caught and banned .
They skill up an new character big time and they can start the farming again.

One thing is for sure, with skill on sale, instead of a game of no epic heroes, we have a game of everyone being epic heroes.

It is like they said, capsuleers are demigods of EVE universe.

"- So I have been playing EVE from the start and I have maxed out everything
- Big deal. I received my companies Xmas bonus and maxed out everything."

Good thing that it wasn't used as an argument (counter or otherwise), then.


It will cause the fundamental problem that you are now able to skip game mechanics if you pay for it.

It is bad on a design level (since it's the antithesis of design — it actually disrupts mechanics), on a balance level (because it can't be balanced since it relies on cost as a restriction), and on a conceptual level (it doesn't actually solve any of the problems it's supposed to solve). Hell, just for good measure, I'd throw in that it's bad on a morale level too: it absolutely reeks of desperate last-ditch cash grab to hope that a handful of whales will splurge on their newfound ability to not let something as silly as core game design sit in the way of their grand ideas.

many have been over the yeras.

because strangely enough difficulty =/= fun.

unlocking t2 modules is as easy as opening your wallet and buying from the bazzar, some guy starting today and flying ahacs tomorrow isn't something that will only happen if this change happens - it already does happen.

subway was lukewarm - should have ate it in the store rather than bringing it home. c'est la vie.

nice list of buzzwords. now, what will happen in-game because of this change that isn't already happening? as yet you've listed nothing.

There are more flaws/side effects.

The proposed changes would totally mess up the current training and attributes system.
Future optimum training:

1. remap to +10 Per +4 Will
2. buy 2 learning implants to train PER/WILL at max speed
3. whenever you need anything else, just extract 500k XP and reinsert them into your own brain as 400k unallocated SP. Despite the loss, you still get more SP than when training with your weak attributes
4. dont care about attributes and remaps until you have at least 50mil SP

Bonus for PvP addicts:

train on character A on your account with 2 +5 implants. Then transfer SP to your combat char B who never wears expensive implants and has no active training queue.

Part of the issue here is for many the consequences don't matter for others they would never want a character that was not their own. So the current system only caters to those that are okay or flat out don't care about having a character with no personal input. While those that do care have opted out of that system. This new proposal gives an opportunity for those that want their own personalized character. Of course a service that reset name and history of a character could open up the existing option to more people.

Though there are still that would rather boost a character they made from scratch. I don't know seems okay to me either way.

Most of the doomsday views on here are looking at it very extremely.

1) Some say this is adding pay to win to the game, but it is not much different than the character bazaar that already exists. So it is not adding it only expanding it.
2) We don't have pricing in yet, but I suspect it will be very expensive. This will make it impractical for many people. The type of person that would spend hundreds of RL $ to get ahead with this method would also use the bazaar so no net change from today.
3) The system is dependent on SP being removed from a character, this will limit availability. Yes people will make SP pooling alts to farm the SP off of. People already have SP alts that are training for the sole purpose of being sold on the bazaar. No net change.
4) It has diminished returns, again limiting the practicality of it it to raise SP to insane levels. The ratios are not set and could be more harsh or the brackets split up more to keep a better balance.

I can see why CCP looks at this as a similar feature to the Bazaar, it is only adding greater flexibility, and opening up the SP trade to many more players that would not have gotten into character selling/buying.

A lot of people are saying this would be no different then buying a character in the bazaar. These two mechanics have significant differences, and it's why many of us like what the bazaar offers over this proposed idea.

1. The current bazaar does not favor any demographic in Eve. Whether you played six months of seven years, the bazaar has the same options to you.

2. When you buy a character you get the flaws associated with it. Characters naturally will be more and more less focus the higher the SP. You can't find a 200m SP character that doesn't have something that is useless to the next buyer. This is a nice balance to the system. You get to jump ahead and not wait for the skillpoints but also you get stuck with stuff you don't want as balanced effect of that choice you made. Also toss in there that you lose the option to control the name, the KB history and corp history and it's a good balance.

3. This system opens up the recycling of characters with no loss. As of now if you want to destroy a character the SP is lost. You can sell it but ultimately there is still a history of the characters actions that the next person has to take on if they buy the toon. This system allows for easy rotation of characters in disregard for their history. The implications are bigger then one might see at first glance. Corp and alliance thefts are something people balance between the value of their character(s) and the money/assets available to them. For some their character is to important, they couldn't replace exactly that they have. This goes out the door, a name can be tossed to the wind and nothing is lose (unless the character has high SP, and in that case it can be spread out into two characters with little to no negative effect).

4. Some people selling their toon have strong association with that toon. They don't simply want to see the toon shelved. This systhem removes that from the game. There can be no long term legacy for characters. The ownership of them is degraded that of simple numbers and nothing more.