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Indeed.

Though SP trading in itself is debatable, someone having to pay cash for it to happen just points straight to CCP greed.

Linking it to the Character Bazaar (and the PLEX costs therein) is just a smokescreen. Trading characters is an account service, completely out-of-game and charging PLEX is reasonable and a good way to limit the transactions.

But what's the reason to charge RL cash for a new gameplay mechanic, that's definitely not just cosmetic (like SKINs and clothes)?

why does it have to be greed? if the current playerbase complains about everything they do and they cant bring in new players then how else does a company make enough money to grow?

I dont see this as greed just simply a way to make money, after all it is a business and the current model clearly is not working enough for ccp

Logical deduction will tell you that this will clearly be affordable if this is meant to be designed to help new players. It is inevitable that this will be another feature that removes consequences, much like SP loss upon death, and indestructible ship skins.

except that nowhere in the devblog, does it state that.

not a single place. there is ONE instance of the phrase "new players" in the devblog, and it doesn't say it's for them. the reference to "new players" is that they've noticed us talking about it. not once have they said this is for new players in that devblog. not a single time.

You stand corrected :

To clarify:

. Your account exists out-of-game, in the real world, where you pay CCP to log in and play their game

. Your character is ingame, in the virtual world. SP are viritual things attached to a virtual character in the virtual world of EVE

. SP mechanics, up to now, are ingame. Virtual world time goes by, you train SP based on ingame rules, choices and actions


Charging $ for real world transactions is different than charging cash each time you want to use a new ingame feature. It's like charging cash for adding a lowslot to your Rifter.


You may think the difference is minimal, I think it's crossing a line that will make the game worse. If this crap goes through, I'll be happy to be proved wrong.

First off I would like to say even though I do like the idea that ccp is trying to make the game allot easier for new players to get into, I am not for the idea that skill points can be something that can be bought or sold on the market. I don't have to say the reason, as everyone has stated allot of possibilities why this will cause more harm than good.

Now I will like to suggest a idea, instead of making sp tradeable, how about making character trading allot easier to know about, implement it as a game feature. Like a market place that can be opened in the game, rather than A forum section that people have to look for to find. Also, implement the ability for freshly traded characters to have the name changed, how ever limit this to were players cannot fake a name change that own the account or are abusing the name change system in a way to reuse a character for corp theft.

Also if you want to make the game more fun for new players, implement a way for them to test ships they cannot fly, like a arena or something interesting to show them how fun the game can be when they get good sp.


Another thing, make it to were all new players have access to the advanced cerebral accelerator, this is another item that even though can be traded for isk on the market, I find that the only way for new players to get there hands on it is to buy the (expansion packs) online, which I see it as a "if you pay us money we will make the game easier for you to get into" this is a no no. so please remove it. Also, remove remaps, and make all the stats maxed and keep the implants. Reduce the amount of time it takes to train skills.

And if you want to find a way to introduce more players onto eve? Work on project legion again, The only reason I see why you guys decided to stop working on it is because the dust 514 community was upset because (I don't have a gaming pc) or something stupid like that, supporting a game on a outdated console like the ps3 is a very dumb and stupid idea. Who cares what the dust community thinks, allot of them don't give you any money what so ever, and they just play the game, allot of them don't even know what eve is, but know how to log onto the forums. So. long story short, you want more players of eve? Port dust 514 to pc and add allot of features to it, like being able to manufacture goods for legion players, just something more to interact with the eve universe than rather (oh I push f1 now i get pew pew on planets im so cool, this is boring)

Now that I have given my suggest to CCP what i think should change I will like to now start giving my input to the players of this game. If you do what I am about to describe below, then shame on you, you are the reason this game is going to ****, and you should feel bad everytime you suggest a way to fix the game, you are not helping.

First off for the players that come onto threads like this and state "Im going to unsub now because this is a bad idea" This thread was made to give feedback to ccp to tell them how you feel about the changes, it doesn't mean that they will do it. So far from what I have seen, the CSM says no, and the community says no. So it will most likely will not happen. But when you start to say that eve is dieing and you threaten CCP with the fact that you are going to stop supplying them with money, you are a good reason why this game is going to ****, because if you don't get what you want, you will stop giving money to the people who try to make the game for interesting for new people.

And for those players who say "the game is dieing" or something related to that, you are not helping, when you put this information out there for everyone to see, how do you think a new player feels about seeing a 3+ year old pilot in a game saying its dieing, do you think they will invest the time and money into a game that since you all are saying "its dieing" they think that ccp will pull the plug one day? Yeah, you are not helping, everytime you state this, you make a new player think the game that you enjoy playing is a ******* waist of time and **** you for even saying osmething remotely close to this.

I love this game as much as you guys do. Probably even more.
But when you say the game is dieing you make new players think it is a waist of time, that they shouldn't even train skills in it.

When ccp comes along and ask the community about a idea they had, they are asking you guys if it is okay to implement it. So far you guys have made great responses to CCP, but actually unsubscribing is not the way to change ccp's mind, you are killing the game by doing this.


I put allot of thought into this, and I have waisted a long time writing this.

tl;dr:

SP trading is no no, make other ways for new players to enjoy the game without real money

Remove remaps and make it to were all skills train at same pace, with the option of implants still

Resume development on project legion, there are allot of FPS players on PC, and tons of them will love the idea, dust 514 community is salty, and ps3 is a outdated piece of ****. stop supporting it.

Rant about how players should stop saying that "eve is a dieing game" as this causes more players to not even want to spend time in it because they think it will die because all these old players are saying so.

Then they should think of something which will bring new players to the game. Since this will not.

And if they just want more money they should find a way to get them or to find something actually beneficial for all players. Or reorganize company, cut unnecessary costs, stop stupid investments etc. Players are not guilty for such faults.

Instead of making moves which will cause even less income in the long run. Ie the business model which worked, they screwed up some and now they are going to screw it even more. That is the wrong way to make more money.

I'm not CCP's CEO or shareholder, I'm a player.

I don't care how much money CCP make, I wish them to make a good game and enough money to remain in business so I can play it with you guys.

If I think a proposed feature is just for making more money but could make the game worse, I'll say so and hope they come up with another feature that makes the game better instead, which ultimately will help in making more money too.

Can you please answer on whole posts instead just taking some parts out of the context. Why is there diminishing return mechanism, aimed to give the most of the benefit to the new players (who are ready to spend additional cash) then?

So, YES it is aimed mainly at new players. And it fails on that.