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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#1601 - 2015-10-16 11:26:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Estevan Andrard
That is a nice thing to throw in the table:

"They have to pay tech III servers somehow."

They could make some better fashion for ships and avatars.

They could bring up some sort of ingame corporation perks for a fee.

They could sell extra char slots.

They could make some other things non SP related for plex.

The list can grow a 100 pages long until we are left with only making players buy plex to make SP cows to milk.

Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
EVE Search wrote:

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I am mildly amused how much the "for" crowd is feeling the need to pad the thread out in order to make opinion seem split.



That is the common place of all forum threads. I myself have most of them blocked already.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?

Josef Djugashvilis
#1602 - 2015-10-16 11:27:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis
This idea seems to me to be more about CCP needing money (less folk logging on - see Eve-offline.net) than 'improving' the game.

They should just pass a tin-foil hat around and ask the players to donate some money as thay see fit.

Of course, CCP could just introduce and improve gameplay to both keep old players and attract new ones.

Sometimes, the obvious course is actually the best course of action.

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Schedar
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#1603 - 2015-10-16 11:29:24 UTC
This touches the very core of EVE. I hope this will not come to pass, but seeing how Goons & Co. are actively promoting this, it most likely already is in the pipelines. I will vote with the wallet when time comes.
Nakaara Adahsa
Deep Void Enterprises
#1604 - 2015-10-16 11:29:45 UTC
This concept is clearly pay-to-win, and it's a horrible idea. The abuse would be terrible.

1. As some others have mentioned, it's easy to imagine someone running 5-10 accounts with 3 alts each dedicated to skill point farming. Some players would be willing to spend a large amount of real money for an in-game advantage, and others have massive ISK revenue streams from nullsec and wormhole space to spend on PLEX.

2. This could invite a whole new level of griefing: imagine an alliance like CODE hounding players or even smaller corps to give them skill points in exchange for freedom from harassment.

3. Preventing SP farming would be difficult. You could try banning players from transferring SPs between characters from their own accounts, but players would just work around this by transferring SPs between themselves in SP farming rings. Defeating the latter would be difficult as well: banning exchanges in private contracts would not work since players could just use closely timed exchanges in the open market in regions with low trade activity and/or with mutually inflated prices to prevent third-party interference with the exchange.

4. Making it so easy to acquire new skills is the equivalent of adding a mega-implant / meta-implant to characters. It's like adding an implant that affects all clones that cannot be lost and takes on whatever form you desire with the potential for several years worth of skill improvements. Such an implant would clearly imbalance gameplay too much and would be rejected by most players.

The potential for abuse and game imbalance is pretty much all one needs to know to see just how bad an idea this is for the game. Please devote CCP resources toward something else that might actually improve the game.
Eternal Bob
Doomheim
#1605 - 2015-10-16 11:30:06 UTC
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
EVE Search wrote:

Top 50 posters in thread Posts (% of total)
Querns 128 (8,0%)
Teckos Pech 60 (3,8%)
Tyberius Franklin 51 (3,2%)
Don ZOLA 40 (2,5%)
Alavaria Fera 28 (1,8%)
Divine Entervention 26 (1,6%)

Unique authors 650 (avg 2,4 posts/author)


I am mildly amused how much the "for" crowd is feeling the need to pad the thread out in order to make opinion seem split.



What makes you think that is their motivation for posting?

This isn't the only place CCP go to for feedback, btw. Reactions elsewhere have been quite different.

Biomassing to free a char slot.

Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#1606 - 2015-10-16 11:34:48 UTC
Schedar wrote:
This touches the very core of EVE. I hope this will not come to pass, but seeing how Goons & Co. are actively promoting this, it most likely already is in the pipelines. I will vote with the wallet when time comes.


From a strictly selfish business point of view, I could see SP market as a booming market to profit from.

I understand that not only I could profit from joining that as a market, but profit by making that a tool for my trade.

It changes EVE into an entertainment source of investment internally profitable game-financially wise.

It is effective to boost all venues of profit from a person willing and prepared to invest real money into creating a powerhouse for financial or military superiority into the game.

As I am a person of estabilished IRL career in a field I am left with lots of free time, and not in the mood for night-life or drinking and such, just your regular gym rat, I could simply use and abuse SP market to oblivion.

If I did not care about who else will be left playing the game, I would very much enjoy this proposal, as it makes space for the Idiocracy of Money in EVE plain simple.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?

Troubled Basterd
Island Life Capitalist Bastards
#1607 - 2015-10-16 11:35:16 UTC
Hi,

Wat is the prognoses on the plex price? I asume its going to sky rocked once more. I wile back CCP posted that something has to be done to plex prices, that there are to manny players leafing becaus of the high plex price.

Wy create even more reasons to buy plex for isk?

o/
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1608 - 2015-10-16 11:38:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Eternal Bob wrote:
Aralyn Cormallen wrote:
EVE Search wrote:

Top 50 posters in thread Posts (% of total)
Querns 128 (8,0%)
Teckos Pech 60 (3,8%)
Tyberius Franklin 51 (3,2%)
Don ZOLA 40 (2,5%)
Alavaria Fera 28 (1,8%)
Divine Entervention 26 (1,6%)

Unique authors 650 (avg 2,4 posts/author)


I am mildly amused how much the "for" crowd is feeling the need to pad the thread out in order to make opinion seem split.



What makes you think that is their motivation for posting?

This isn't the only place CCP go to for feedback, btw. Reactions elsewhere have been quite different.

There's no way I can catch up to Querns.

Unless I can get a Post Packet and inject someone else's posts into my count!


Also, Querns was aiming for 10%, but I guess they had to sleep or something, thus they slid to 8%...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1609 - 2015-10-16 11:40:41 UTC
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:
2. This could invite a whole new level of griefing: imagine an alliance like CODE hounding players or even smaller corps to give them skill points in exchange for freedom from harassment.

Instead of just ISK, with which to buy stuff that's useful to them like... more catalysts?

Besides, all the sub 5mil people around because highsec is the home of newbies, they can't anyway right~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#1610 - 2015-10-16 11:41:14 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
This idea seems to me to be more about CCP needing money (less folk logging on - see Eve-offline.net) than 'improving' the game.

They should just pass a tin-foil hat around and ask the players to donate some money as thay see fit.

Of course, CCP could just introduce and improve gameplay to both keep old players and attract new ones.

Sometimes, the obvious course is actually the best course of action.


It really does seem that monetization never really left the ideas table since summer of rage and they've been waiting for a way to shoehorn it back in. It may be a slippery slope argument, but I fear what they suggest next if they manage to get skillpoints for cash through the door.

If they really wanted to make they game more quickly accessible to new guys there are so many more things they could do.

Increase new char SPs even further (a million say)
Remove learning implants, add points to attributes.
Lower skill point requirements or adjust training time multipliers on various non "end game" skills (with appropriate reimbursements)

these would be accessible to all, not just cash rich players... but I suspect this is about CCP getting paid and getting paid quick.
Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#1611 - 2015-10-16 11:43:27 UTC
Troubled Basterd wrote:
Hi,

Wat is the prognoses on the plex price? I asume its going to sky rocked once more. I wile back CCP posted that something has to be done to plex prices, that there are to manny players leafing becaus of the high plex price.

Wy create even more reasons to buy plex for isk?

o/


Preciselly to lower its price.

Supply and Demand is a very misunderstood concept in the market. That is not how markets are controlled.

If you really void the value, price goes down faster, no matter how supply changes, because need is actually what drives demand, not supply.

It is like sell beef in hindu countries. It does not matter how little is the supply, the price wont rise if people are already not interested in it to begin with.

The problem is right the opposite, it is to make need to boost demand, foreseeing a shortage of sales, or planning a boost on movement rather than price to rise profit.

Simple market manipulation done right.

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?

Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#1612 - 2015-10-16 11:46:58 UTC
Nakaara Adahsa wrote:
2. This could invite a whole new level of griefing: imagine an alliance like CODE hounding players or even smaller corps to give them skill points in exchange for freedom from harassment.

Let's not call it harassment. Otherwise, great idea!
roberts dragon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1613 - 2015-10-16 11:47:16 UTC
with all this passion think a few buckets of cold water is in order
Dave Stark
#1614 - 2015-10-16 11:48:37 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
I fear what they suggest next if they manage to get skillpoints for cash through the door.


that's literally how your subscription works.

also; if we were just creating SP out of thin air - do you really think people would be defending it? i don't.

besides, this idea does the direct opposite, SP vanishes in to the void with this idea.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#1615 - 2015-10-16 11:49:12 UTC
roberts dragon wrote:
with all this passion think a few buckets of cold water is in order


With CCP so obviously high, a spell in rehab is in order
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#1616 - 2015-10-16 11:52:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Portmanteau
Dave Stark wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
I fear what they suggest next if they manage to get skillpoints for cash through the door.


that's literally how your subscription works.

also; if we were just creating SP out of thin air - do you really think people would be defending it? i don't.

besides, this idea does the direct opposite, SP vanishes in to the void with this idea.


I have zero issues with making SPs easier to come by for new guys, but make it accessible to all not just cash rich older players and credit card happy new guys. All this will do (since supply will be limited and expensive) is setup another divide/barrier of entry between rich new guys and poor new guys where it just used to be young player vs old players.
There are so many better ways of getting *all* new players into the game quicker... this isn't one of them.
Estevan Andrard
Doomheim
#1617 - 2015-10-16 11:52:54 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
roberts dragon wrote:
with all this passion think a few buckets of cold water is in order


With CCP so obviously high, a spell in rehab is in order


Imagine when players are high as a kite on bought SP.

It is like Cocaine to boost dopamine. LOL

If con is the opposite of pro, then is Congress the opposite of progress?

Clamp
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1618 - 2015-10-16 11:55:10 UTC
I wouldn't be interested in this - I'm not interested in the character bazaar either. My characters are a reflection of myself with their own narratives and history. I'm totally against renaming characters too, because those characters fair or foul are a part of the framework that make Eve special.

While I would appreciate a way to train a low SP character quicker with no risk, I wouldn't appreciate being able to do it in any old way. Pretty much every character needs core engineering skills for a good fit - it's more necessity than choice in my opinion. Everything else is a choice from tank or weapon choice to prop mod choice; those choices define who characters are and their strengths and weaknesses are the backbone of Eve online. So I'd be fine letting players pay to get assistance training core engineering skills, but nothing else.

Short term cynical crash grabs will only reap short term rewards in my opinion.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1619 - 2015-10-16 11:57:34 UTC
Estevan Andrard wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
roberts dragon wrote:
with all this passion think a few buckets of cold water is in order


With CCP so obviously high, a spell in rehab is in order


Imagine when players are high as a kite on bought SP.

It is like Cocaine to boost dopamine. LOL

And then they get alphapodded and lose it all, right?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#1620 - 2015-10-16 12:02:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Estevan Andrard wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
roberts dragon wrote:
with all this passion think a few buckets of cold water is in order


With CCP so obviously high, a spell in rehab is in order


Imagine when players are high as a kite on bought SP.

It is like Cocaine to boost dopamine. LOL

And then they get alphapodded and lose it all, right?

No because they removed consequences for death remember. And now they want to remove consequences for skill training too. Pick the wrong skill or remap, it won't matter, just liquidate the SP and use it however you want.