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Surely this idea amounts to giving older players more ways to make isk that simply aren't available to younger players. For instance I have a character trained up for POS management. He doesn't really do much else than that and PI but I still train as I still have to PLEX him. Now I would simply throw in a pair of +5's and train all skills on that branch starting with the lowest multipliers first.

I would also use a remap to max out those attributes thus giving perfect training rate to throw those skills at another player or character. It would probably become necessary for me to do this as PLEX will jump in price if this idea is implemented. New players will benefit from this only if they enjoy being rapidly milked for cash early on in the game.

Ed: Also isn't this just effectiviley allowing SP laundering from an awox character? Won't sell on the bazaar due to reputation so just slice and dice the brain and feed it to other alts instead.

You can say, but the difference is that i have made numerous arguments against this and you did not manage to counter a single one. All you do is just repeat this is great idea and that it will be great benefit. I challenged that multiple times, yet it seems your superiority complex does not allow you to get in "fight' where you can lose so you stick to spamming same bs.

Edit: so just you saying it will not make it true at all, it will just make you look dumb ;)

if these people spend that amount already then whats the issue because they are already paying rl cash to gain an advantage

This is absolutely NOT targetted towards new players. Guybrush logs into the game, does the tutorial, sees the big spaceships, buys the skillpoints, and BAM he can fly an Abaddon/Raven/whatever, which he promptly buy withs a PLEX. yay. now what.
Chances are, the shiny new ship will end up killed soon enough, because the only guns that kind of work will be faction guns. But hey, you just got a billion, money to spend.
Even if Guybrush buys more skills, he still doesn't have the experience or ANYTHING required to fly a ship that size. He will be eaten by rats, because his tank isn't good enough, he will be hunted for the shinies.
and this is all just in the FIRST FREAKIING WEEK he plays. yay, money spent on a game and woops he's gone. congrats.

This might be good for intermediate players who are already in a corp and want to fly a doctrine, but this. is. not. for. new. players.

goddammit

Quoted cost from previous pages:

3. The cost of buying SP will become increasing expensive. To give some numbers to this. To get a 20 million SP character with the current method I'd have to buy 22,750,000 SP to inject. That is, I have to buy 13.75% more SP than I am attempting to end up at. If I want to jump to 50 million SP I have to actually buy 60,250,000 SP or about 21% SP over where I'll end up. One poster blathered on about how there'd be all these characters with 600 million SP. Just to get to 500 million SP one would have to buy 3.495 billion SP. Yes, with a fracking 'B'...billion. So STFU about that ****.

So its not really going to be very economical to max level characters, once you get to the certain sp its going to be more viable buying a character from the bazaar

It's not pay to win. Skill points don't equal winning.

If anything, buying PLEX is MORE pay to win because with tons of ISK from selling PLEX, you can pay an entire alliance to kick another alliance out of their home.

I don't see you crying on the forums about my ability to spend $10000 on plex and paying mercenaries to hellcamp others out of the game.

This isn't pay to win, at all.

It's like spending money to buy a new dress to wear to the big dance. O that Raven show cases my attributes much better than this incurses does. I'll be sure to have all the boys looking at my killboard if I wear that!

This entire thread is just full of a bunch of non-sensical crying about how the sky is falling. . . . but we're in space! There's no sky. It's just more space followed by more space, except now we're going to see people who've been playing for only 3 months flying around in ships that use to take 8 months to fly.

It's not a big deal. It doesn't change anything and the thought that it does is plain and simple a testament to yours and everyone else who agrees with your sentiment that you're irrational and over reacting at the mere thought of change, even though it's a change for the better.


Your crying is the same as dudes in 1956 crying about how back in their day it use to take them 3 weeks to drive across country and sure, now with the new interstate system it only takes 1, but by-golly it just ain't right dammit! If it was only suppose to take a few days to drive across the country, it would've only took that long back when I use to do it when I was a wee lad!

think i missed the line in the devblog that said that.

could you quote it for me, my eyesight seems to be failing me in my old age



they said that us discussing helping new players has kicked them in to gear, not that this idea is for new players.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_gap

Eve is dying, eve is dying, yeah yeah yeah, eve is dying...
Now I'm against it
But
Eve is dying, eve is dying, yeah yeah yeah, eve is dying...

Also free gold plated dominix for vets only, rainbow coloured text in local for vets only, name a planet for vets only, name a system for vets only...

No? Ah never mind...
Its friday...

Seriouly is Rise running around smacking people with the wabbajack again!
NO NO NO

I can see spending plex to change appearance\name would like some accounting in corp history for that however.

Even notification that a Char has changed hands.

But this SP buying and selling No I do not think this could ever work and not be completly abused.

Obviously you don't care about the principle. And you know what? From a personal perspective, in this case I don't care either.

When I'm out shooting people, I never think about how many SP they have and if those + or -5% will make any difference, because usually they simply don't.


Problem is, many people care about principles. I'm worried that because of principles and underlying game culture/style/philosophy there will be many more people leaving the game or simply enjoying it less than people joining or enjoying it more.


Also, I expect that the f*ing company making the game care about principles. I expect them to create and maintain meaningful and fun game mechanics, not offer players ways to skip them altogether if, and only if, they fork out $.