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Wow..Just wow,

As a player since '09, I've seen this game go through many changes and this by far would be one of the worst if not the worst that CCP has ever come up with!!

Does anyone remember "Greed is good" and the burn jita event it spawned? At the time EVE was a really healthy game and even though it lost some players it was able to rebound. This is not the case this time around, EVE cannot afford that type of mistake again, but yet it seems like you guys are trying it anyway.

If this goes through the development stage into the game, it will kill the game once and for all.

CCP, EVE is already hurting and player retention is not that great, so what do you do? Go ahead and come up with a horrible idea and the screw over the players still keeping EVE going!

This will in effect take yrs off of people's playing efforts and since SP is an integral part of the game, it will push older players out of the game in record numbers.

If you really don't want EVE around anymore, just turn it off, don't make it go through a Hollywood death scene first!

Good. I like it.
Don't listen to these oldies that keep blocking this game from evolving.

EVE Online has such a depth of variability, which makes it popular for the individuals that play it.

This change being discussed, does much to reduce the complexity of the game.

This is a bad thing.


Reduce the steep learning curve, make the game more player friendly, change things to make the game attractive to future players while at the same time keep retained players engaged. But do not reduce the complexity of the game.

No complexity is lost from this idea in any way shape or form.

They can catch up they buy a plex 'giving money to CCP', sell it 'giving game time to people and leveling out the plex market', and buy a character 'that would otherwise never undock'

The main issue people have and have ALWAYS had is putting their own touch on the character to make it THEIR character. This normally boils down to the name of said character.

As always your first character is your first love it would be nice to see that alts bought are the same. Me personally I HAVE BOUGHT ON THE SITE 2 characters. They are just alts. But I DO have {main alts} if you will. That I myself have trained.

SP is an integral part of boosting your ego with an Eveboard link. Period.

Taking the time to learn to use those SP is the real trick. You can't buy that.

Like I just said. Stop crying and start dreaming about how much fun you are going to have ganking the fools that think like you and so many others in here do.

Mr Epeen

So having more SP is winning? Also how did the Bazaar not violate this?

Ok to sum it up.


They want to introduce new feature which should help new players.

So when the new player comes he finds out that beside subscription he should spent 5x-10x that money to "get it going". Meaning that since the start he does not get the EVE. Eve is not about speeding things up and having it easy way. When that reality hits them a lot will just quit, since they were not prepared for that.


After that turbo start he realizes the game is quite slow unless he wants to keep spending more and more money to speed it until he gets comfortable with sp. Pity that in the most cases he will not have any idea what he needs/wants. Because that is what you learn while your skills are training. There is no Instant Start Up Course to teach them everything in couple of hours. Then disappointment comes. Guess what, 99% will quit. You will make them spend extra cash and give them false image of the game which will not lead to anything.

So the group this should help the most will actually have the least benefit of it. Ie the whole idea is a giant fail. There are people mentioning alliances who will buy sp to boost news etc. How many alliances accepts new players? How many puts effort in them? Eve Uni cannot fund something like this, other alliances/corps might eventually use it to affect some battle doctrine they are using, but there is low possibility due to high cost as alliances tend to have players with more sp.


There is definitely need to find a way to attract and keep new players, but this is not the proper one.


Meanwhile, some older players will utilize this function to spec new alts. Also some rich old players could try to get on top of total sp list and take off someone who committed himself for years to the game to be where he is. During that plenty of older/vet players will quit, disappointed in CCP. They will not be disappointed because "some newbs are overtaking them in sp". Let`s be realistic, there will be only minor amount of those who will spend a lot of cash to get high sp just for the sake of sp. There might be couple of contenders on top spots, i know some people can afford spending thousands of usd/eur on the game if they find that idea (to be top 1) in sp interesting.

People will be disappointed as they will see CCP making great mistakes. Changing FUNDAMENTALS of the game for something new, something they cannot even assume the result of, without considering side effects and without caring about their customers feelings. Meaning that if they are ready to do it once, they will do it again and people will not commit their time as they cannot know what to expect next in the long run. People will be disappointed as they will lose faith in CCP and company`s vision of the game. No one is going to trust with his money company which is inconsistent and on whom`s ideas and vision they can lean on or see themselves be part of.

So, even though some people have personal interests to be able to fix the mistakes they did (boofkinhoo, cry me a river about wrongly put 2mil sp) or to get an alt easier without being able to look at the whole picture as they can look up only on their own asses, this whole idea will strike whole player base in much worse sense.

And there could be even more side effects like rmt and who knows what else...


I hope I have drawn it nicely for everyone.

I'd like to open with a few simple statements. I'm new to the game, pretty much. I haven't put in any of the hard time that every single hard core vet that's here has. I haven't ever posted to the forums before and I'm really no one of consequence. With that out of the way. Maybe what I have to say will have more of an impact.

As a new player, the biggest thing that irks me is that I have to spend countless real life hours waiting for next skill to finish training. Then in order for it to get better, I have to spend days. Then I have to spend weeks. Then afterwards it's months. All for what? A video game of internet spaceships. That's irritating to no end. And here's why:
Every single person that's been in the game for 6 months before me views me as a prey item. Every player with more time than that views me as worthless. In order to be considered effective, skills that are absolutely required for me to have to be useful to any of the large and respected corporations in game. I have to spend a year working alone or working with smaller corporations while at the mercy of all the bigger names around me. That's a year of being told "haha, no, sorry. No newbs." everywhere I go. That's a year of being hilariously and hopelessly out gunned. For every single new player that does manage to trickle into this game, it's a game of forever catch up. A game that no new player will ever win. Or finish for that matter. While all the veterans sit fat and happy with mountains of ISK and SP, every newbro struggles to even begin the climb.
So, rant over.
Anyway. As a new player. I'm all for this. Because it will allow me to grab a couple of SP packets, suck them dry and be able to instantly become more viable for corporations that suit me. This change will allow me to become a lot more useful in contribution, content creation and viability in anything my particular corp needs me to do. I won't have to wait 8 days anymore to train a support skill that's barring me from getting into making myself self sufficient. I'll now be able to simply plug it straight in and get to the more important factor that's really at stake here: Enjoying the game. I don't enjoy the game right now as much as I want to because like I said above. I'm the baitfish in the lagoon filled with barracuda. With this change, I can instantly become a barracuda myself and level the playing field.

That's my 2 cents. I'm all for this. It'll actually assist genuine new players entering the game for the first time. Or help bring back new players that were discouraged because of time constraints. No one wants to spend years waiting to enjoy a video game their way. No one wants to spend their entire career playing the role of the baitfish either. So please. Make it so. Put more thought into benefiting new players and balancing it for the vets and adding mechanics that would nerf it into the ground for those who would abuse this simply for the sake of griefing the new players. Make this a thing please.

I advice you to carefully read my posts again. I wrote about how far that _market_ can scale. Also, if you want to make a point, place put some effort into it, including justification. I'm not going to waste time on pointless word throwing.