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I like this idea. Right now if you're rich (spacerich, real life rich, whatever) you can pay and buy a character that can fly every ship in the game or a specialized alt for a specific purpose. Thats the most pay to win you can get in a game where a t1 destroyer can easily destroy a purple fit battleship piloted by someone who has no idea what theyre doing.

While these rich players buy and sell characters for billions every day without a care in the world whether theyre named yolo mcswag or gdklsghdfkgj and terrorize people with wheir falcon and link alts and multibox incursion fleets, the masses of eve with a single account and emotional connections to their character and background that make pew pew sounds when they pvp have no access whatsoever to even a handful of skillpoints to not have to wait another week for a skill to finish training.

This wont end the (in my opinion, quite minor) "pay to win" aspect of the game, which will be there as long as there is a character bazaar and as long as real life is pay to win. But being able to trade unallocated SP allows the normal player with a single account and character to get a bit ahead by investing some isk in SP while also refunding the rich vets with too many alts they dont use with too much SP they dont even need. If anything it makes the game less pay to win in the sense that instead of paying many billions for a character that can do everything you'll be able to buy a packet to get a skill faster. You'll be paying less and winning less.

Ignorance of reality? The reality is I will never sell my character to anyone else. Therefore it is not a commodity and never will be which makes it as unique as a character can be. It is 'special' in so far as it is mine and only mine. Whatever anyone else does with their characters is entirely up to them.

This is fooking Bullshit CCP

source: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4583354#post4583354

Regards, a Freelancer

PS: selling un-allocated skill points like this, cheapens my whole capsuleer skill training experience since dec 2008.

Characters are special. Characters (players behind them) and corporations they run made this game what it is. They have made the game special.

Entity, Chribba, Grendell, Lord Zap, Tank CEO, SirMolle, Mittens, voogru, Istvaan Shogaatsu, Arachvoid, Shamiz Orzoz etc etc. I could name hundreds of characters heavily involved in making EVE what it is. Are they just commodities?

I find your approach quite shallow. That is why I can understand why you pushing so hard for something what will probably personally gain you, without caring about the whole picture. As mentioned numerous times - if this meant to help the new players it will fail. Unless they are willing to drop significant cash in it, which rare ones will probably do. And that makes it unfair to heavy majority of other new players and also to older players.

Only thing CCP can get in begger numbers from this is older players redoing or getting new alts. And probably sh*tloads of unhappy customers on the other side. Set sail for fail.


As mentioned earlier, one of the essences of the EVE was being tough and hard. It kinda represents RL in space. All sorts of people, economy, politics, wars, decisions, actions and reactions, choices and consequences.. If you start deleting those what will the game turn into?

So people should stop whining about wrong choices in past but live with the consequences. Or CCP should start fixing everyone`s stupidity or change of interest? Stop complaining about not having same amount sp as vets, you could have started playing earlier. Or whatever. Life is not fair. Same with EVE ;) It was never before so easy to make isk. Go buy ships, chars or whatever you want. Do not screw the game even more to make it easier for lazy ones. Man the f*ck up and play.

If CCP wants to find way to attract and keep new players then they should focus on that instead of proposing such "innovations" which will have more negative effect than benefit for players and therefore for themselves as well. As the majority new players will not benefit from this.

CCP, Please do not this. Literally SP trading is killing EVE.

I'm sure this has been said before, but I really don't support this change. I understand the diminishing returns for older players, however I cannot get over how wrong this feels. Sure, I don't have a lot of use for my mining skills. Sure, I think that new players can be saddled with bad characters in the Character Bazaar. But being able to use in-game money to translate that into SP? That's cheapening the story of your own character.

People have years invested in their characters, blemishes, mistrains, horrible naming and all. I do not support this change, please do not do this.

Those are people, not characters. Any one of those could currently or have in the past sold their character and continue to be the "big name" that they are.

i like this idea.

Except you should just cut it off at 5M SP.

I personally don't see anything wrong with this. If I, with 150M SP's want to tank 450K SP's of my Mining Barge 5 and make some money off it, then I can do so. Those SP's, which are dead to me - DEAD TO ME - can then go to some noob who has 4.5M SP's and wants to get past the hump of training into a ship so he can access content sooner.

Win-win.

Be realistic, you raging nerds. If this is implemented properly, so that bittervets can sell off their training queue mistakes and newbros can hit 5M SP's faster and access content easier and fly cooler ships and kill whining forum alts' mains easier, then no one loses.

If you don't use those 3.5M Sp's in production and research Sp's, then why whinge abut being able to monestise them and get them off your back?

If you are afraid that someone who is starting out can turbocharge their way to 5M SP's (or even 10) by paying real world dollars, then so what? it means they might not die of brain-meltingness while struggling through the 1.5-5M SP hump when everything sucks, they make massive allocation mistakes, and don't know what they want to do.

But sure, go ahead and whine more.

The idea that the dev who thought this up didn't immediately get lynched and mauled by the others devs, trying to beat the stupid out of him/her, is alarming. Apparently there's a group of people within CCP who think that this is a great idea and if they can come up with this steaming pile of **** they can come up with far worse things as well. This is a deal breaker for me. YT channel closed, I'm done.

So what other MMO's are out there, anyone have something good or should I just wait for Fallout 4 and play that for a bit.

All I can say is NO.

How ever I do support skill respec's I have many skills in mining and construction I never use any more.