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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#581 - 2015-10-15 18:51:35 UTC
Just imagine what EVE will look like to new players who are already used to P2W games:

"Oh, it takes me 1 week to train for this ship or I can pay 200$ to buy the SP to do this right away???!!! WTFWORSTP2WEVERBYE!!!"

Evil RatKid
Aker Krane
OMEGADYNE LABS
Rising Darkness
#582 - 2015-10-15 18:52:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Aker Krane
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...



They already do.
PLEX

This allows one to recoup "time" that has been otherwise wasted through bad training decisions, nerfs, game play styles, or other game mechanics that have made those skills irrelevant.
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#583 - 2015-10-15 18:53:07 UTC
For all the reasons put forward in all the threads over the few years I've played about buying ISK I say a huge no.

So now we have 'EvE has consequences...except you can buy your way out of them'? No thanks.

Of Course CCP will do this anyway no matter the opinion of the majority of existing players so at least give us some way to have some benefit from being a long term non-tampered character.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#584 - 2015-10-15 18:53:12 UTC
Querns wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...

Do they not have the Character Bazaar where you live?

This argument is also disingenuous,

There is a fixed number of character slots per account, and managing an increasing number of accounts becomes increasingly annoying/problematic.

Practically speaking, If I want to fly Sleipnirs TODAY on my main, buying an extra character wouldn't be my solution. But with this system? Let's run some incursions for that dank sp!
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#585 - 2015-10-15 18:53:33 UTC
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...


Nope, they will sell past time already invested in game by others, to people new into the game.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Juliette Asanari
Voodoo Children
#586 - 2015-10-15 18:53:42 UTC
Hm, I don't like this idea.

Reason a) Right now, the amount of SP a character has some measure of accomplishment. This character right now sits at about 61m SP, which took about 3 years. Now, not to make an "I had to suffer, you shall suffer too"-argument, but should this idea come to pass, a lot of "lower-SP" (airquotes, since i won't consider 20m-30m low...) might become meaningless (Just grind more ISK/PLEX and boost till diminishing returns hit)

b) Right now, I can look at a characters age and get a rough ballpark estimate about the amount of SP said character has. Should this come to pass, that link is broken. A week old character might have "all the things" at V because the player is dumping a metric ton of RL-Cash into the game. Not ideal.

m2c
Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#587 - 2015-10-15 18:53:55 UTC
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL IS EVE ONLINE!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Fool Nalelmir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#588 - 2015-10-15 18:54:48 UTC
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...


Nope, they will sell past time already invested in game by others, to people new into the game.


Exactly
Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#589 - 2015-10-15 18:55:43 UTC
Vrarrg wrote:
No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach.


PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN?
minni mitti
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#590 - 2015-10-15 18:56:12 UTC
bb eve lol, ccp if you don't know how make game better just don't touch it
Boom Danslesdents
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#591 - 2015-10-15 18:56:24 UTC
Just canceled 4 accounts paid with real money.

I think you get my point : Get rid of this whole buying/selling ISK idea.
Demolishar
United Aggression
#592 - 2015-10-15 18:56:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Demolishar
Well this is interesting.

One PLEX gets me 2M skill points or so on a noob alt.

That makes 4 skill packets which get me 200k on my main.

To train all skills is about 500 million SP and I have about 150 million SP (fairly typical situation) so I need 350 million SP.

That's 1750 PLEX or in other words 2 trillion or in other words $26,000.

I wonder how many people will do this.

EDIT: This assumes extractors are basically free.
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#593 - 2015-10-15 18:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Africa
To all you Yay Sayers ...coming from a bitter vet the answer is NO. You want to know why it is NO. Because we said so. The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..and you know what if we say NO its means Fucken..NO

Do you idiots really for one minute think after this thread that CCP would implement this hmmm ?

I will pull all 5 active acounts with out blinking an eye if this crap hits TQ..now **** off and go and earn your way into Eve.


At the same token CCP if your scrapped for cash just let us know in a honest way and we will support you as far as we can.....
Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#594 - 2015-10-15 18:57:25 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Querns wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...

Do they not have the Character Bazaar where you live?

This argument is also disingenuous,

There is a fixed number of character slots per account, and managing an increasing number of accounts becomes increasingly annoying/problematic.

Practically speaking, If I want to fly Sleipnirs TODAY on my main, buying an extra character wouldn't be my solution. But with this system? Let's run some incursions for that dank sp!


And what difference would you flying a Sleipnir today rathar than 2 months from now have on me?

Nothing.
Keras Authion
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#595 - 2015-10-15 18:57:33 UTC
Come on CCP, you shouldn't do april fools when it's not the first of april.

This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
Josef Kennet
Deep Space Conquerors
Goonswarm Federation
#596 - 2015-10-15 18:58:33 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
Vrarrg wrote:
No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach.


PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN?

Train over 9000 accounts for a month and sell SP to your main
Fool Nalelmir
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#597 - 2015-10-15 18:58:37 UTC
Eve has been rebalanced.... Players have been nerfed. P
Skilo
Lisnave
Pandemic Horde
#598 - 2015-10-15 18:58:44 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
Vrarrg wrote:
No this is a horrible idea, if you are really hurting for money then listen to what we have been saying and get those things done. Instead of trying to make the game P2W or even F2P. There have been several good ideas over the past few years you guys pass up or don't even care about. This is a whole new low for CCP to reach.


PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT PAY TO WIN?


You are sitting on your char, the char you created and like. Suddenly FCs come with a new fleet ideia

You need to fly Machariels

You look into your char and think. damn 34 days for me to be able to fly those

You can always buy a char ofc but on your char .... nope

Now with this you can simply go and buy the skillpoints you need, place it on your char ... you can fly a machariel

Pay To Win
Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#599 - 2015-10-15 18:59:30 UTC
Captain Africa wrote:
To all you Yay Sayers ...coming from a bitter vet the answer is NO. You want to know why it is NO. Because we said so. The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..and you know what if we say NO its means Fucken..NO

Do you idiots really for one minute think after this thread that CCP would implement this hmmm ?

I will pull all 5 active acounts with out blinking an eye if this crap hits TQ..now **** off and go and earn your way into Eve.



LOL!

BYEE!

CAN I HAVE YOU STUFFZ PLX?

Captain Africa wrote:
The only people carrying eve are the old bitter vets..


HAHAHAHAHAHA
Oxide Ammar
#600 - 2015-10-15 18:59:46 UTC
Thx CCP for this great idea...looking forward to you use it.


rest of you HAHAHAHAHA....Big smileBig smileBig smile

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