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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#481 - 2015-10-15 18:11:53 UTC
Skilo wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Skilo wrote:
I've been playing this game since 2003


Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"


I wish I could warn you not to give them ideas like that.


The point is that it goes against everyhting CCP always said about Pay to Win

This is PAY TO WIN

You pay you get skills you get better ships and guns you win

PAY TO WIN


Character bazaar dude....been there for years. Maybe you should, you know...play the game and read the forums vs. just paying to have your character earn SP.

Just out of curiosity...have you ever actually undocked?

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159Pinky
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#482 - 2015-10-15 18:12:51 UTC
So, why on earth have you even spent time on this? The forums are filled with questions and grievances from players about stuff (tm) that needs fixing. Yet you guys come up with something we didn't ask for, nor need.

Moreover you'll make the ****** up eve economy even more ****** up.

Really CCP: get your priorities straightened and then get back to us with something the player asked....
TRAVS
Quam Singulari Industry
Roid Suckers
#483 - 2015-10-15 18:13:12 UTC
F**king idiotsOops
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#484 - 2015-10-15 18:13:12 UTC
Samillian wrote:
I cannot believe that you have even considered this, you would be better to just turn the servers off and walk away than debase and devalue your game like this.


Please leave, if we loose this attitude in EVE, we have a much better sandbox left, and more people who come in will stick around, that would be awesome.

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Esme Moya Mencken
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#485 - 2015-10-15 18:13:22 UTC
/me opens up Steam for the first time in a month.

Rather than rage-post, I'll just wait for the storm to hopefully blow over and for CCP to publish their actual intentions.
Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON.
The Bastion
#486 - 2015-10-15 18:13:38 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)



Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question.

As far as I can see, there is none.



I do... Bitter vets would have more people around them that could fly high end doctrines like they do. Just by roaming off their own SP.



Lemme throw this right back at you ...I had to wait 6 years to get my character trained up to be 145 mil sp do you think it fair that you would be able to achieve that by just buying sp and whalla ?


Honest answer? Yes. Why not?

Because your mad that this option wasn't available when you first started?

What difference would it make to you if I spent £100's to boost my character to your level? I can fly the same ship as you? Boo Hoo...


200€ for 145 SP, which are 6 years and several billion isk - so let's say ~ 1500€ in subscription alone + at least 10.000€ in ISK (if done the math converted back over PLEX price to RL money )

So spend ~12000€ not 100.

Thats a big difference because EVE is build by patiences and time and the social structure that develops in your corp and alliances etc.

You SIR are still in an n00b corp. Guess if you have tomorrow that 145m SP ? I and many other I know would not except you in that corps, for the next few years.


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The Scope
Gallente Federation
#487 - 2015-10-15 18:13:42 UTC
I don't think the diminishing returns is a good idea. An old player should equally be able to acquire SP and apply them towards something like super carrier or titan training as a young player. Why should old players have to suffer because they did not specialize into the biggest ships in the game early? Evil

Idea You are still keeping the character bazaar where people can buy their way into the hundreds of millions of skillpoints, so why have diminishing returns at all? Its not a balanced or fair approach. If I want to spend money to get skillpoints, I should be able to spend money to get skillpoints equally from all sources.

If you are going to make an in-game item for people to buy to apply skillpoints then do it equally for everyone. Have a set standard where 10 dollars buys 100k SP or something and leave it at that. Bear


And for the love of god do something about plex trading. A 20% increase in price within 2 months represents the economy of EVE going down the toilet and doing things in game to earn isk like ratting and mining being a worthless waste of time compared to dropping a few dollars to gain superiority over other players. This game is turning into pay to win at every turn and its disgusting. X
Kavoro Pel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#488 - 2015-10-15 18:13:45 UTC
Nope nope nope
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#489 - 2015-10-15 18:14:21 UTC
ISK IRON BANK wrote:
Buy SP using plex

Buy char from Forum using plex


Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.


Pay for a nice dinner when I take your sister out for a date

Pay your sister to just go straight to my hotel room

Not sure why you'd get excited over this

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#490 - 2015-10-15 18:14:25 UTC
ISK IRON BANK wrote:
Buy SP using plex

Buy char from Forum using plex


Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.


Which is why I'm perplexed too.

And this isn't even just buying SP. Somebody has to drain their SP first to put it on the market.

Will people have SP farms? Maybe but why be so dumb and have multiple accounts just to earn ISK. Just go buy PLEX and sell them in game for ISK.

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Skilo
Lisnave
Pandemic Horde
#491 - 2015-10-15 18:14:39 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Skilo wrote:
I've been playing this game since 2003

I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get

To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts

I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!

Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"

IF i decide to return ofc

Want to take the risk CCP?

I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way


That ship sailed long ago. With enough money somebody could buy a character with over a hundred million SP. Even more.

You should have quit years ago, to be quite honest. Roll


Still that char had to be trained for all those years.

And why should have i quit years ago? did i killed you recently?

Oh i know. i have a diferent opinion then yourself or CCP?

My point again is that CCP always said this would never hapen ....PAY TO WIN ... LOL
Kilian Katar
Unknown Enterprises
#492 - 2015-10-15 18:15:01 UTC
ISK IRON BANK wrote:
Buy SP using plex

Buy char from Forum using plex


Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.


Characters take time to train, their skills and how they are spread or dedicated defines their worth, they sometimes come with a background, there is risk involved for those that train to sell (the demand may vanish)

SP is SP and in its raw form will have a constant worth. 25m SP on the bazaar can vary wildly in price, in SP form it wouldn't
FZappa
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#493 - 2015-10-15 18:15:04 UTC
beside this reeking of pay to win (which can already be done today by buying a character off the bazaar)
this messes up our ability to asses a character risk level by looking at its age.

for example , that lone 3 day old character in system with me is not much of a risk..
suddenly , he decloaks in a bomber , points me , and lights a covops cyno for his blops buddies Shocked

in other words , this can be exploited to game breaking levels by either players with deep wallets
or vast sums of isk handy .
J Livermore
Doomheim
#494 - 2015-10-15 18:15:15 UTC  |  Edited by: J Livermore
I'm not going to pretend that I know how this will change the game in big picture, but I know that when this goes online I'll start looking other games to play.

It's just not the same game anymore for me.
Vogels
Sudden Death.
Exodus.
#495 - 2015-10-15 18:15:32 UTC
If anything this positively enforces sticking with your character. Corp history and reputation is more important then overall SP in this game, and more people will want to keep the former if they can adjust the ladder.

The diminishing returns is interesting, but I believe it should be more about **how much SP in a timeframe** that gets dimished, not based off your total SP.

For instance - Someone who has 80m sp, but only wants to change 5m SP every few months should not feel the same isk sink as somebody who has 80m sp, but ones to trade out 40m of it in a week.

With this type of system, long term gameplay is rewarded, those wanting instant gratification or pay-to-win are penalized.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#496 - 2015-10-15 18:16:03 UTC
Skilo wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Skilo wrote:
I've been playing this game since 2003

I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get

To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts

I've been with CCP for the good times and the bad times but for this i will not!!!!

Hey i can stop playing for 1 year and if i decide to return get the euros i saved and buy all the skill points i've "lost"

IF i decide to return ofc

Want to take the risk CCP?

I'm sure i'm not the only one thinking the same way


That ship sailed long ago. With enough money somebody could buy a character with over a hundred million SP. Even more.

You should have quit years ago, to be quite honest. Roll


Still that char had to be trained for all those years.

And why should have i quit years ago? did i killed you recently?

Oh i know. i have a diferent opinion then yourself or CCP?

My point again is that CCP always said this would never hapen ....PAY TO WIN ... LOL



So what, those SP had to be trained too. The only way for SP to get on the market is if somebody trains them, then drains them (for a cost) then puts them on the market.

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Monasucks
BLACK SQUADRON.
The Bastion
#497 - 2015-10-15 18:16:04 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
ISK IRON BANK wrote:
Buy SP using plex

Buy char from Forum using plex


Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.


Pay for a nice dinner when I take your sister out for a date

Pay your sister to just go straight to my hotel room

Not sure why you'd get excited over this



Bwahaha Malc

so true

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#498 - 2015-10-15 18:16:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Sean Crees
CCP Logibro wrote:
[img]http://content.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/68656/1/skilltrade1_550.jpg[/img]
The Character Bazaar has been around for a while, allowing enterprising players to buy and sell characters from others. Lately, we've been exploring some new ideas around improving it, but ultimately realized that our effort was better spent investigating a similar idea: skill trading. This is a pretty big thing, so make sure you read the entire dev blog, and let us know what you think of the ideas inside.


Please also read this reminder on our forum rules ~ ISD Decoy


LOVE IT!

Don't let the vocal minority get you down. Check the reddit page: https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3ov6p8/dev_blog_exploring_the_character_bazaar_skill/

The top upvoted comment with 240 points and climbing with very constructive feedback fully supports this idea.
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#499 - 2015-10-15 18:16:26 UTC
Querns wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)



Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question.

As far as I can see, there is none.



I do... Bitter vets would have more people around them that could fly high end doctrines like they do. Just by roaming off their own SP.



Lemme throw this right back at you ...I had to wait 6 years to get my character trained up to be 145 mil sp do you think it fair that you would be able to achieve that by just buying sp and whalla ?

Given that the achievement's barrier to entry is merely time and the payment of a monthly subscription, yes, I think it's totally fair. Your accomplishment is fairly meaningless; anyone can do it if they just wait.


You wouldn't be able to afford me ...you wanna know why because i have a history ...and associated with that sp. If i was just sitting in a station then sure I would agree with you.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#500 - 2015-10-15 18:17:09 UTC
Kilian Katar wrote:
ISK IRON BANK wrote:
Buy SP using plex

Buy char from Forum using plex


Not sure why everyone is getting excited over this.


Characters take time to train, their skills and how they are spread or dedicated defines their worth, they sometimes come with a background, there is risk involved for those that train to sell (the demand may vanish)

SP is SP and in its raw form will have a constant worth. 25m SP on the bazaar can vary wildly in price, in SP form it wouldn't


The SP will not be created out of thin air. They have to be drained from an existing character who took the time to train those SP.

FFS, read the Dev Blog and engage the brain people.

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